The NFL Thread

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Kittle loves a long one.

He's been so good this season. From primarily a blocking tight end to arguably a top 5 catching TE in the league.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

You'd think that someone would try and actually cover Kittle.

[Foe]

Bloody Denver d having a mare. How do you beat the chargers and then struggle against this lot.

Just mark kittle and you've undone the offence.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

That was incredible by JuJu.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Steelers :lol:

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Losing to that shite :harold:

[Dan]

That Rams/Bears game was every bit as enjoyable as the Chiefs game :drool:

[Giggles]

The fucking Bears :(

[John]

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Nope. Absolutely not. Not having that at all.

[niko_cee]

Yeah, I thought everyone was losing their shit a bit too much over that no look thing.

Wild game though.

With the various high flying offences faltering of late, I was thinking to myself when was the last time such a team actually won the Superbowl?

By the time things got to a head last year the Eagles weren't (even if maybe they were at the outset), I'm not sure either New England wins in recent years would see them qualify (certainly not against the Hawks who were the high flyers, maybe against Seattle), other than that, back to the last time the Saints won it?

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

This was so much better:

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Rodgers is the only one that could also do it. Less so this year.

[Giggles]

Haven't seen throws like that since Favre.

[Giggles]

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[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Loomar officially the starter.

Flacco will spend the final few weeks on the bench and, more than likely, get cut when the season is done.

[Gray Fox]

Wentz is done for the season again.

The only way he plays again is if Big Dick Nick gets a win in LA against the Rams. As that's never happening, there's always next year.

[Dan]

Just seen the current names for the East/West Shrine game. There are a decent number of names I've never heard, but there are also some pretty good players going:

QBs:
Jordan Ta'amu, Ole Miss
Brett Rypien, Boise State
David Blough, Purdue
Taylor Cornelius, Oklahoma State
Easton Stick, North Dakota State

RBs:
Nick Brossette, LSU
Darrin Hall, Pitt
Qadree Ollison, Pitt


WR:
DeMarkus Lodge, Ole Miss
KeeSean Johnson, Fresno State
Terry Godwin, Georgia
Ryan Davis, Auburn
Cody Thompson, Toledo


TEs:
Andrew Beck, Texas
CJ Conrad, Kentucky
Daniel Helm, Duke

O-Line:
Jesse Burkett, Stanford
Tyree St Louis, Miami

D-Line:
Wyatt Ray, Boston College
Terry Beckner, Missouri
Renell Wren, Arizona State

Linebackers:
Khalil Hodge, Buffalo
Jordan Jones, Kentucky
Ryan Connelly, Wisconsin
Andrew Van Ginkel, Wisconsin
Joe Dineen, Kansas

Defensive Backs:
Lukas Denis, Boston College
Derrick Baity, Kentucky
Andrew Wingard, Wyoming
Zedrick Woods, Ole Miss
Tyree Kinnel, Michigan
Delvon Randall, Temple
Rashad Fenton, South Carolina
Michael Jackson, Miami
Ken Webster, Ole Miss
Sheldrick Redwine, Miami

Those are the notable names, the majority of which should get drafted, with a few of them having a shot to go on day two.

Draft season :drool:

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I'm on Team Qadree Ollison and Sheldrick Redwine.

[igor_balis]

Anyone staying up for this?

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

He's like a cheat code at times.

He shouldn't throw that in a million years and yet it ends up nicely into his receiver.

[igor_balis]

your man on nfl show was talking about he looks one way and just casually chucks it the other way. without seeing a replay i'm pretty sure that's exactly what he just did, if not for the TD then at least for the ball before (please forgive me i'm 8 pints down and don't really understand nfl at the best of times)

[igor_balis]

Also i reckon the way the chargers kick returner just spilled that should be punished rather than just being on the 25.

[niko_cee]

That's what, the third close game KC have lost this season? And they probably should have lost at the weekend too.

Doesn't really bode well for their post-season hopes. At Arrowhead as well.

Pretty harsh on whichever of these two miss out on the bye seeing as they both have conference leading records.

[John]

From what I saw of that last night the Chiefs' RB played well, but if Kareem Hunt is in that game they win it by two scores, maybe more.

Mahomes showed a few more glimpses of mortality too, particularly on that easily avoidable sack near the end which pretty much gave up the game. He has bonkers arm talent, but he really needs to improve pretty much every other aspect of his game.

[Foe]

He's in his first season starting, he'll get there. All you're looking for at this stage is the base to build upon. Hell, Rodgers had 3 years as under study at Green Bay and then a shaky start.

Would love to see the chargers go all the way for Phillip rivers. Without a ring he probably gets overlooked for the hall whilst brother Eli doesn't.

[Foe]

Hadn't realised jarrett stidham had declared for the draft. He's had a pretty poor season, so a bit surprised by that. Either he's getting some buzz or he just doesn't rate college.

Benny snell the Kentucky runner is going too. As is about half of the talent at ole miss.

Some serious talk about kyler Murray choosing football which would be wild. I can see him trying to manage both, but to flat out turn his back on baseball which he's far better suited to and likely would be far more lucrative for him is mental. He must fucking love football.

Interesting to find out how the NFL would evaluate him. Doug flutie is about the only analogue for short guys I can think of, and he was tiny. Kyler is a cross beteeen him and an rg3/vick/kaepernick.

[Giggles]

Has he not signed a baseball contract?

[Gray Fox]

He might do what Russell Wilson has done. Play in the NFL until you get sick of it, but then go play Baseball after.

[Dan]

Hadn't realised jarrett stidham had declared for the draft. He's had a pretty poor season, so a bit surprised by that. Either he's getting some buzz or he just doesn't rate college.

Benny snell the Kentucky runner is going too. As is about half of the talent at ole miss.

Some serious talk about kyler Murray choosing football which would be wild. I can see him trying to manage both, but to flat out turn his back on baseball which he's far better suited to and likely would be far more lucrative for him is mental. He must fucking love football.

Interesting to find out how the NFL would evaluate him. Doug flutie is about the only analogue for short guys I can think of, and he was tiny. Kyler is a cross beteeen him and an rg3/vick/kaepernick.

There’s probably not much Stidham can gain from going back, to be fair. Might as well get out the way of the 2020 class & hope he can get some momentum on the all star circuit. It sounds like he’s properly torpedoed his draft stock this year though - some places have him as a day three guy now. He’ll probably still end up going day two just on name recognition.

Benny Snell will probably be a mid round (3-5) guy, depending on how well he tests. He’s one of the better physical guys in the class, but I’m not sure he’ll be a feature back, so his value will be pretty limited. Wouldn’t surprise me to see him go in the Samaje Perine range (think that was R4).

Kyler is a really interesting one - I won’t believe he’s declaring until he does, and he’s got the physique of a 12 year old, but you can’t deny he tore it up this year. It’s then a question of how much was the scheme & what traits did he show that actually translate to the NFL, and do you think you can build an offence that suits him. I’ve heard his name mentioned as a potential late first rounder though, so I guess we’ll see.

I think the entire Ole Miss offence is coming out - all three WRs, OT Greg Little & QB Jordan Ta’amu are for sure, so it wouldn’t be a surprise if TE Dawson Knox declared as well, especially now their OC has got another job (I think).

[Giggles]

Don't forget there's a game tonight because the two NY teams are at home the same week.

[Gray Fox]

Texans at the Jets followed by Browns at Broncos. If there wasn't severe fantasy relevance for me I'd not bother.

[Giggles]

Texans at the Jets followed by Browns at Broncos. If there wasn't severe fantasy relevance for me I'd not bother.

Hadn't even realised there was two games. Pity they weren't 6 and 9pm.

[Foe]

Forget that, it's utah state vs north Texas mean green. Talk about prestige in the, also prestigious, New Mexico bowl.

[Dan]

Fresno State v Arizona State is on now, and I’d imagine that’s the one to watch.

[Foe]

Yeah, realised that after and immediately switched over.

Gonna hopefully watch my Texans fuck up the jets though. :yn:

[Gray Fox]

High scoring win for the Texans please.

[Dan]

I'm going to try to awkwardly flip between the two games whilst also watching something on Netflix with my housemate.

N'Keal Harry isn't playing so it's only really Manny Wilkins & KeeSean Johnson that I want to watch in the Las Vegas Bowl anyway.

[Foe]

Well all I've seen of manny Wilkins thus far was a 3 and out and then pick 6. He must've done something though as they did go score.

[Dan]

That ASU touchdown run featured the least co-ordinated set of juke moves I've ever seen :D I'm not sure whether Manny will come out this year or not, but he'd probably be wise to go back if he still has eligibility. The baggy sleeves alone make him undraftable.

[Dan]

That 'in the grasp' call on DeShaun was horrific.

[Giggles]

That 'sack' of Watson was bullshit.

[Gray Fox]

I have Hopkins and my fantasy opponent has the Texans D and kicker. Pretty poor start for me there.

[Dan]

This Jets offence is pretty shambolic.

[Gray Fox]

How the fuck do you just let the best WR in the game walk into the end zone from 50 yards?

[Gray Fox]

All of these field goals are driving me mad.

[Giggles]

Darnold is an awful looking player. How did he go in the first round with that wind-up?

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Panic?

[Gray Fox]

He's mobile and throws really quite well on the run too, but as a pocket passer he isn't appearing up to much.

[thommo]

I thought Darnold played quite well today. Just needs a bit more poise in the pocket, but when you only have one half-decent receiver in Robby Anderson, it's hard to look impressive. You have to remember how bad Goff looked in his first season under Fisher, so if Bowles goes (as he should) and the Jets bring in someone in the McVay mould, he could definitely fulfil that potential. He's still only 21 too.

[Dan]

Darnold is really talented, but he's not got the processing side of it down yet, and it makes him pretty inconsistent in the pocket. They need to get an offensive guy in (there's no McVay out there, in all likelihood, but anyone with a decent, modern vision would be a start), and they definitely need to get at least one actual talented player on their offence. Robby Anderson is the best they have, and he's a complimentary receiver. Other than him, the WR group is down there with the worst in the league, and their RBs & O-Line aren't any better.

On that note, I watched some Kelvin Harmon film today. DK Metcalf is more of a physical freak than he is, but Harmon is the better player right now, and he's still a pretty impressive athlete in his own right. He's really good when the ball is in the air, tracks it well & has a knack for getting his body between the defender & the ball. He's got good speed & acceleration for a big guy too (we're talking sub 4.60), can get some yards with the ball in his hands and he runs a surprisingly diverse route tree for a big college receiver. Could be a pretty nice WR1 for a team like the Jets. Or Baltimore...

Also stumbled across a freshman they recruited to replace Nyheim Hines & Jaylen Samuels who looks good, so keep an ear out for Ricky Person in a couple of years. Their main guy Reggie Gallaspy is solid too, and they have another WR called Jakobi Meyers who used to play QB but now looks like a legit prospect too. He's a junior, so he could declare, but I'd imagine he'll be a 2020 guy.

They're a pretty good team to watch, actually, considering last season they had the aforementioned offensive guys plus a stacked D-Line that all got drafted last year (Bradley Chubb, Kentavius Street, BJ Hall & Justin Jones).

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Can the Jets take Marty Mornhinweg from us.

He's awesome, honest.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

How the fuck does Perriman catch that?

[Gray Fox]

Because the shirt doesn't say Baltimore on it.

[Giggles]

I feel like a Man Utd fan for today. Having a shit season and about to take a hammering off the dreaded scum. Hopefully Gamepass black it out or something.

[John]

I feel like a Man Utd fan for today. Having a shit season and about to take a hammering off the dreaded scum. Hopefully Gamepass black it out or something.

Who's your team? Packers?

[Giggles]

Who's your team? Packers?

Yep. I don't think I'll be home for it anyway but it's not going to be pretty.

[Giggles]

What's all the Gotham City stuff on the Jets gear for? Advertising tie-in?

[Dan]

Olawale :D

[thommo]

Prescott sold him a little short, but yeah, shocking drop nonetheless :D

[Foe]

You look at the jets offence and wonder where the talent is. Suppose that's what you get when you'd draft DL in round one repeatedly.

So what's the consensus on our 5 first rounders?

Josh Allen seems a really good fit in buffalo, and who knew he'd turn out to be a great runner.
Josh Rosen needs to improve or he's going to be a bust.
Darnold looks like he has potential.
Baker has looked legit. I was surprised when he went number 1, but honestly I can see why now. He could be the guy in Cleveland for a long while.
Lamar Jackson needs to learn to be better at throwing the ball, or he'll fade into a Josh Johnson kind of guy. Problem for him is he's not hugely intelligent either, so it won't come easy.

[Foe]

Every year there's a mid rounder who's just been so dominant in college that I root for them.

A couple of years ago it was joe Schobert who was just dominant at Wisconsin. This year it was Sam Hubbard from Ohio state. He's a steal and given he went to college in Ohio too, the bengals have got a good chance of keeping him happy.

[Browning]

Lamar Jackson really is a poor man's Tim Tebow. He'll be out the league within 2 years.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Yeah, Loomar sucks.

[Foe]

Tebow is built like a fucking tank though so could afford to play battering ram. Lamar Jackson isn't. Kind of get the fear that he'll crumble at some point.

[Foe]

There's something really satisfying about watching the cowboys get stuffed.

Ty Hilton is so good though. Wee twitchy receivers like that are so hard to cover.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

No RBs for the Bills :D

[Foe]

Chuck a backup DL into the rotation. The more you can do.

Tbf they probably have a receiver or DB on the roster that played there in high schoool or college who could come in. Think Charles James in the Texans hard knocks series.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Eddie Jackson is so good this year.

[Foe]

Cheap and fuck too as a 4th round pick.

Bama dbs doing well with minkah Fitzpatrick looking good too.

[niko_cee]

4th and 11 and Tannehill basically gets sacked by his own player.

:D

What a div. Someone should tell him his job is to throw the ball at some point.

[Ian]

I fucking loved Tebow. I mean he was shit but that one year when it felt like l the wins we got were by the skin of the teeth was amazing.

And then the refs taking ages to explain the new overtime rules just to have Tebow find Thomas for the winning score straight away in that playoff game against the Steelers.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Gus the Bus is genuinely great.

[Dan]

You look at the jets offence and wonder where the talent is. Suppose that's what you get when you'd draft DL in round one repeatedly.

So what's the consensus on our 5 first rounders?

Josh Allen seems a really good fit in buffalo, and who knew he'd turn out to be a great runner.
Josh Rosen needs to improve or he's going to be a bust.
Darnold looks like he has potential.
Baker has looked legit. I was surprised when he went number 1, but honestly I can see why now. He could be the guy in Cleveland for a long while.
Lamar Jackson needs to learn to be better at throwing the ball, or he'll fade into a Josh Johnson kind of guy. Problem for him is he's not hugely intelligent either, so it won't come easy.

Allen has been really good, but he seems to have a coordinator who actually draws stuff up that suits him. The rushing has been a huge boost to his production though.

Darnold has been pretty much what was expected - occasionally brilliant, occasionally horrific. He'll get there with experience, weapons & a coaching change.

Rosen has been fucked as much as Darnold by the shambles around him, but doesn't have the athleticism to extend plays, so he's suffered more. Get him a decent O-line & a new coach & he should be fine.

Baker has balled out, which he was always going to do just by sheer force of will, if nothing else. He'll just get better & better if they can get a decent head coach & some improvements to the line/WRs

Lamar looks to have had the biggest struggle as a passer so far, but he showed he can throw it at Louisville, so there's still hope he can get it together if they can get the right tools around him.

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Essentially, the ones with good OCs have done well, and the ones with shit OCs and/or bad O-Lines have struggled. It's hard to really judge them until they've had at least three seasons, and you'd hope the team would get better around them in that time.

[Foe]

Jags are doing a good job working their way up the draft board to have a shot at the best available qb.

How does that team only have 4 wins?

[Gray Fox]

Has someone been talking shit about my Tim in this thread?

[Gray Fox]

Jags are doing a good job working their way up the draft board to have a shot at the best available qb.

How does that team only have 4 wins?

Blake. Bortles.

[Dan]

Seabass on that kick return TD :D He looked like a kicker in his early forties.

[John]

Blake. Bortles.

Kessler started tonight and rushed further than he passed it. Even without Bortles stodging it up with his little three yard slant balls they're still absolutely clueless on offence. Seems like the plan is basically give it to Fournette and hope for magic.

[Dan]

This has been one big troll job for George Kittle fantasy owners so far - Mullens has missed him wide open twice, and now Garrett Celek gets the long, walk in TD when a defender falls down.

[Gray Fox]

Kessler started tonight and rushed further than he passed it. Even without Bortles stodging it up with his little three yard slant balls they're still absolutely clueless on offence. Seems like the plan is basically give it to Fournette and hope for magic.

To be fair if you have a QB set like that you get used to setting up to play a certain way. Short, safe complete passes were the order of the day for him whilst leaning heavily on the running game. Problem is once teams shut down the running game, which they mostly have against the Jags, you need your QB to produce and he just can't. Kessler is of the same ilk.

It's be interesting how far that defence could go with an expansive guy like Mahomes with the ball on their side.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

That was mighty impressive by Haden.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Gronk is breathing out of his arse and getting triple covered yet Brady is still trying to find him.

[Gray Fox]

What is going on?!

[John]

Goff has been rancid, absolutely nothing has gone his way. This game is like the Dorian Gray price he's paying for the game he had against the Chiefs.

Nick Foles looks a lot like Lucas Leiva on that graphic Sky throw up whenever they're headed to adverts.

[Dan]

He’s melted the last couple of games when it’s counted. He was miserable against Chicago too.

[niko_cee]

Full steam ahead on the old man Superbowl (Saints v Chargers).

They should move it to San Diego.

[Dan]

That’s the dream SuperBowl :drool:

I’d also settle for Chicago against Baltimore in an old fashioned ‘run the ball & play defence’ SuperBowl.

[Browning]

That sounds disgusting.

Yesterday when Barber ran it up the middle every play and got a TD the commentator claimed they were "Out Baltimore-ing Baltimore". I'm sure he meant it as a good thing... but I couldn't help but feel it was the harshest insult ever given.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

The seethe from Browning if we get there :drool:

With the legs of Gus the Bus and Loomar guiding us.

[John]

What's the 'Loomar' thing about?

[Giggles]

What's the 'Loomar' thing about?

Fuckwittery. I don't think anyone here has referred to an NFL player by their actual name in about five years.

[Dan]

Well that wasn’t pretty, but the win’s all that matters.

[John]

Fuckwittery. I don't think anyone here has referred to an NFL player by their actual name in about five years.

That second sentence goes beyond exaggeration into pure obvious nonsense, but I assumed 'Loomar' was just a standard issue Mahow crap nickname.

[Giggles]

That second sentence goes beyond exaggeration into pure obvious nonsense, but I assumed 'Loomar' was just a standard issue Mahow crap nickname.

By correct name I mean not using players first names only like you know them from school or something.

[Dan]

Foe Georgia freshman QB Justin Fields is ‘exploring a transfer’ apparently :harold:

Did he not watch Jake Fromm before he committed? From(m) the little I’ve seen of Fields he never stood a chance of competing even though he’s meant to be the top QB in his class (clearly that was actually Trevor Lawrence).

He’ll have to sit out a year as well :D

[Foe]

Yeah, I do wonder what the fuck these high school qbs think. They must have massive egos to think that they can literally beat out anyone. Even Lawrence going to Clemson was a bit odd with Kelly Bryant.

If any top ranked qbs go to bama when tua is there, and his brother likely to follow, they need their head melted.

Great example is Blake Barnett. High school 5 star recruit. Sat in bama, realised he would start and fucked off. Went to Arizona state and couldn't even beat out that scetchy cat there and wound up at south Florida.

If he's gone somewhere like lsu, Washington state, USC etc he'd have had a legit chance. Now he's fucked his career before it even started.

Fields, hurts, Bryant all hunting for a new home.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I've just seen that there is a WR in college called Lil'Jordan Humphrey after browsing a Ravens mock draft.

I thought the Lil was just the author taking the piss.

[Foe]

I've just seen that there is a WR in college called Lil'Jordan Humphrey after browsing a Ravens mock draft.

I thought the Lil was just the author taking the piss.

He's fucking huge and he's a solid producer at Texas.

[Dan]

Yeah, I do wonder what the fuck these high school qbs think. They must have massive egos to think that they can literally beat out anyone. Even Lawrence going to Clemson was a bit odd with Kelly Bryant.

If any top ranked qbs go to bama when tua is there, and his brother likely to follow, they need their head melted.

Great example is Blake Barnett. High school 5 star recruit. Sat in bama, realised he would start and fucked off. Went to Arizona state and couldn't even beat out that scetchy cat there and wound up at south Florida.

If he's gone somewhere like lsu, Washington state, USC etc he'd have had a legit chance. Now he's fucked his career before it even started.

Fields, hurts, Bryant all hunting for a new home.

I know the big programmes recruit endless five star guys on the basis that everyone will compete & the best guys play, but when you’re considering where you go as a QB surely you can tell the difference between having to go against a guy like Kelly Bryant or Jalen Hurts & someone like Jake Fromm.

Can’t help noticing the three guys who lost are all running QBs going up against guys that can throw :sherlock:

[Foe]

Yeah, agree in principle.

Some serious egos though. Guess some of these qbs just have in their head that's where they want to go. Dwayne Haskins knew he was going to Ohio state since he was about 13, suspect fields just wanted to play at Georgia and backed himself. Look at kyler Murray - he was mr Texas football winning everything in sight and yet has one season as a start to his resume.

[Giggles]

Pro Bowl rosters.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001001792/article/nfl-reveals-rosters-for-2019-pro-bowl-in-orlando


AFC PRO BOWL ROSTER BY POSITION


OFFENSE


Wide receiver: DeAndre Hopkins*, Houston Texans; Tyreek Hill*, Kansas City Chiefs; Antonio Brown, Pittsburgh Steelers; Keenan Allen, Los Angeles Chargers


Tackle: Taylor Lewan*, Tennessee Titans; Alejandro Villanueva*, Pittsburgh Steelers; Eric Fisher, Kansas City Chiefs


Guard: David DeCastro*, Pittsburgh Steelers; Marshal Yanda*, Baltimore Ravens; Quenton Nelson, Indianapolis Colts




Center: Maurkice Pouncey*, Pittsburgh Steelers; Mike Pouncey, Los Angeles Chargers


Tight end: Travis Kelce*, Kansas City Chiefs; Eric Ebron, Indianapolis Colts


Quarterback: Patrick Mahomes*, Kansas City Chiefs; Philip Rivers, Los Angeles Chargers; Tom Brady, New England Patriots


Running back: James Conner*, Pittsburgh Steelers; Melvin Gordon, Los Angeles Chargers; Phillip Lindsay, Denver Broncos


Fullback: Anthony Sherman*, Kansas City Chiefs


DEFENSE


Defensive end: J.J. Watt*, Houston Texans; Myles Garrett*, Cleveland Browns; Melvin Ingram, Los Angeles Chargers


Interior lineman: Geno Atkins*, Cincinnati Bengals; Jurrell Casey*, Tennessee Titans; Cameron Heyward, Pittsburgh Steelers


Outside linebacker: Von Miller*, Denver Broncos; Jadeveon Clowney*, Houston Texans; Dee Ford, Kansas City Chiefs




Inside linebacker: C.J. Mosley*, Baltimore Ravens; Benardrick McKinney, Houston Texans


Cornerback: Xavien Howard*, Miami Dolphins; Jalen Ramsey*, Jacksonville Jaguars; Stephon Gilmore, New England Patriots; Denzel Ward, Cleveland Browns


Free safety: Derwin James*, Los Angeles Chargers; Eric Weddle, Baltimore Ravens


Strong safety: Jamal Adams*, New York Jets


SPECIAL TEAMS


Kicker: Jason Myers*, New York Jets


Long snapper: To be named by coach.


Punter: Brett Kern*, Tennessee Titans


Return specialist: Andre Roberts*, New York Jets


Special teamer: Adrian Phillips*, Los Angeles Chargers



NFC PRO BOWL ROSTER BY POSITION


OFFENSE


Wide receiver: Julio Jones*, Atlanta Falcons; Michael Thomas*, New Orleans Saints; Adam Thielen, Minnesota Vikings; Davante Adams, Green Bay Packers


Tackle: Tyron Smith*, Dallas Cowboys; Terron Armstead*, New Orleans Saints; Trent Williams, Washington Redskins


Guard: Zack Martin*, Dallas Cowboys; Brandon Brooks*, Philadelphia Eagles; Trai Turner, Carolina Panthers




Center: Alex Mack*, Atlanta Falcons; Max Unger, New Orleans Saints


Tight end: Zach Ertz*, Philadelphia Eagles; George Kittle, San Francisco 49ers


Quarterback: Drew Brees*, New Orleans Saints; Jared Goff, Los Angeles Rams; Aaron Rodgers, Green Bay Packers


Running back: Todd Gurley*, Los Angeles Rams; Saquon Barkley, New York Giants; Ezekiel Elliott, Dallas Cowboys


Fullback: Kyle Juszczyk*, San Francisco 49ers


DEFENSE


Defensive end: Cameron Jordan*, New Orleans Saints; DeMarcus Lawrence*, Dallas Cowboys; Danielle Hunter, Minnesota Vikings


Interior lineman: Aaron Donald*, Los Angeles Rams; Fletcher Cox*, Philadelphia Eagles; Akiem Hicks, Chicago Bears




Outside linebacker: Khalil Mack*, Chicago Bears; Ryan Kerrigan*, Washington Redskins; Anthony Barr, Minnesota Vikings


Inside linebacker: Luke Kuechly*, Carolina Panthers; Bobby Wagner, Seattle Seahawks


Cornerback: Kyle Fuller*, Chicago Bears; Patrick Peterson*, Arizona Cardinals; Darius Slay, Detroit Lions; Byron Jones, Dallas Cowboys


Free safety: Eddie Jackson*, Chicago Bears; Harrison Smith, Minnesota Vikings


Strong safety: Landon Collins*, New York Giants


SPECIAL TEAMS


Kicker: Aldrick Rosas*, New York Giants


Long snapper: To be named by coach


Punter: Michael Dickson*, Seattle Seahawks


Return specialist: Tarik Cohen*, Chicago Bears


Special teamer: Cory Littleton*, Los Angeles Rams

[Dan]

I was just coming to lol at some of those picks. Then again, I guess we should be used to it by now.

[Giggles]

It's an absolute shit show every year. Surprised Clinton-Dix didn't make it again.

[John]

Raiders have signed Peterman. :lol:

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I was just coming to lol at some of those picks. Then again, I guess we should be used to it by now.

I properly lolled at Eric Weddle.

Pretty much every Ravens fan is hoping he retires at the end of the season.

He's lost a step hurting his coverage and his tackling has been fucking horrible.

Mosley has also been shit in coverage, he can't cover any TEs this year.

[Foe]

Raiders have signed Peterman. :lol:

Just to the practice squad so it's costing them the square root of fuck all to at least have a look. If they think they can fix him, great, if not off he trots.

Maybe they jut want the secondary to get some confidence picking off passes in training.

[Dan]

Josh Gordon is ‘stepping away from football’ again to concentrate on his mental health. Also talk that he breached the terms of his reinstatement & is facing another indefinite ban.

Hopefully he can get his life in order & come back, but it doesn’t seem likely.

[Foe]

Saw that earlier. The Browns obviously saw this coming when they let him go. Maybe the patriots saw it too and decided it was worth having him for the what 8 or 9 games?

In some respects it's a bit bullshit that the guy who is clearly talented doesn't get to play because he likes to smoke weed. It's not even illegal in all parts of the country.

Assuming that's what has got him.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

At the end of the day, he signed a contract when joining the league agreeing not to smoke.

If it's that important to him he just should have not bothered.

He's a fool (as are others), this is a chance to set you up with millions and you just have to stop for a few years.

[Browning]

In fairness, he's probably already made millions, without giving up.

[Dan]

From the comments guys are making on Twitter it sounds like it might not be about the weed this time.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

True.

Probably blown it though.

[Giggles]

Mental health my hole. He's a junkie scumbag and doing a disservice to anyone with a real mental health problem.

[Dan]

He's certainly had an eventful life. (https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/11/28/josh-gordon-interview-cleveland-browns-nfl) Also his manager sounds like a staggering arsehole.

In other news, Mississippi State's Jeffery Simmons has declared for the draft. He's a stud DT, but he also has a few off field issues (well one, he broke up a fight between some girl & his sister in high school & hit the other girl, but he's generally regarded as a high character guy other than that one incident & will almost certainly be a high first rounder)

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

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:moop:

A bit premature considering we might not even make the playoffs and we really need a chance in offensive co-ordinator which Harbaugh wont do.

[Gray Fox]

To be fair, I think he's a good coach and a likeable guy, but good god his team is turgid to watch most of the time.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

He is a good coach but he likes surrounding himself with mediocre yes men who have worked their way up at the team.

Right now Mornihnweg is fucking awful and he's been the main problem behind our turgid attack. He should have gone ages ago but he's Harbaugh's (and Flacco's) guy so he wont get sacked unless it comes from the top. That's the main problem which is why he should go.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Forgot that there are games today.

Skins/Titans on right now with Ravens/Chargers later.

[Giggles]

That's brutal from Washington.

[Giggles]

It's nice to finally be able to appreciate Adrian Peterson.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I don't like that the Chargers have got Allen and Gordon back today :(

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Brandon Carr, what a fucking pick.

[John]

That third down conversion from the Chargers a few moments ago was lovely.

[Dan]

Outstanding bottle job from the Chargers offence there. What was it in the end, two picks, two fumbles lost & about a billion sacks?

Baltimore might end up taking the North outright at this rate.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Yeah, fuck the wildcard we want the division.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I like Gus Edwards a lot.

He always seems to break the first tackle and/or fall forward for an extra yard or two.

He had his first rush that went for negative yards (-1) last night after 114 rushes of 0 or more.

I think we've stumbled on a potentially great runner here. Obviously the strange rushing attack spearheaded by Loomar is helping but 5.1 yards per carry, doesn't lose yards and he doesn't fumble.

[thommo]

Yeah I was banking on the Chargers taking that last night. I missed the game, but even judging from the highlights, the Ravens just dominated throughout. That defence is pretty scary once it gets going and I don't rate the Steelers' chances from this point on. I think Baltimore take the North, and the Chargers and Colts are taking the AFC Wildcard spots.

Of course, I'd be delighted if the Steelers prove me wrong and pull off an upset today, but the Saints are a different animal in their dome.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Our problem in defence is that it gets soft near the end. We give up a lot of late game winning TD's/FG's due to soft coverage.

I hate the Christmas period, I never know what day it is so I missed the first 40 minutes of Redzone.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

That's a stunning fumble by Kessler.

[thommo]

Fucking hell, Jarvis Landry has a better arm than half of the NFL starters on the basis of that play. Perriman catching deep shots for fun now he's in a Browns jersey.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Fucking hell, Jarvis Landry has a better arm than half of the NFL starters on the basis of that play. Perriman catching deep shots for fun now he's in a Browns jersey.

The speed at which it came out and the spiral, genuinely a brilliant throw.

[Gray Fox]

That's a stunning fumble by Kessler.

I checked twitter for this. Jesus Christ.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

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He's not even under any real pressure too.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

That tackle by Matt Bosher :drool:

Better tackling that most of the Falcons secondary.

Fucking levelled the kick returner.

[John]

Matt Bosher. :cool:

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

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Turns it into a rock bottom.

[thommo]

What a fucking awful call in the Eagles-Texans game. Graham is literally arms out, making sure not to fall on Watson and STILL gets called for roughing the passer. Absolute joke.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

The defending by the Lions on that hail mary was woeful.

[Pleb]

Cousins throwing a hail mary at half time the fucking madman :drool:

[thommo]

Lions love giving up Hail Mary TDs to tight ends called Rudolph.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

They love giving them up no matter who it's to.

Rodgers had 2 a season or two ago didn't he?

[thommo]

Last play of the game winner 3 years ago. He then had one in the playoffs v the Cardinals when Jeff Janis beat about 3 in coverage to catch it on the last play and take it to OT.

[Foe]

Gurley inactive. Great. Just what you need.

That Rudolph td was a thing of beauty though.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

That throw by Foles was glorious.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Cowboys into the playoffs :sick:

[niko_cee]

Fairly astonishingly bad last 3 or 4 minutes from Philly, although Houston are now trying to repay the favour having gone ahead.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Green Bay/Jets is mental.

[Gray Fox]

Jets v Aaron Rodgers more like.

[Giggles]

Keeps the myth going another while.

[Giggles]

Baker Mayfield is some tosser.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Rodgers is channelling his inner Lamar Jackson.

[igor_balis]

Trying to watch saints Steelers on sky sports but it's super choppy, just me?

[thommo]

Fucking hell, refs utterly bottling it and handing the Saints that TD.

[igor_balis]

I'm not an NFL expert but how the fuck is that pass interference

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Trying to watch saints Steelers on sky sports but it's super choppy, just me?

I'm on Redzone but is the video even choppy in the studio bits/adverts.

If it's just the actual match then it's the camera in America (looks fine on Redzone though), if it's everything it's probably on your end.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Fitzmagic :cool:

Yeah, Larry's taking the name with that pass.

[Browning]

The Cards finally found a QB... shame he's about to retire.

[John]

Baker Mayfield is some tosser.

I assume you mean he's a wanker, rather than good at throwing the ball. I adopted the Browns as my team at the start of the season, based on nothing more than them being absolutely shite last year, and I had built up enough of a dislike for Hue by the time he got the bullet that I'd have to resist a strong urge to gloat in his presence, so I can forgive Mayfield a bit of a staredown.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

'Mon Saints.

MON.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Michael Thomas is so good.

[thommo]

Blatant push off though.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Anyone notice that a lot of WWE music is played in NFL stadiums?

I've heard Taker's and Stone Cold's today and hear Triple H's on the regular.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Juju :harold:

Fuck all the Steelers.

AFC North is ours.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

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:drool:

[thommo]

Baker will fuck you up next week. It's in the stars, the Browns to determine the division.

[thommo]

Oh and what was it, 14 or 17 points directly from ref decisions? Not the only reason the Steelers lost but fucking hell, it's hard when you fight against that.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

If we beat the Browns and Colts/Titans have a winner then Steelers wont even get a wildcard.

:drool:

[thommo]

Yeah it's division or bust after the Titans and Colts both won. Can they flex the Browns/Ravens to SNF? Would be a quality primetime game with all the implications.

[Dan]

We got away with that one - their offence was cruising up the field on us all day, but the two fumbles saved the day.

We’ve slowed down on offence lately, so I still don’t think we’re in with a great shot in the postseason, but home field should help.

[Giggles]

I assume you mean he's a wanker, rather than good at throwing the ball. I adopted the Browns as my team at the start of the season, based on nothing more than them being absolutely shite last year, and I had built up enough of a dislike for Hue by the time he got the bullet that I'd have to resist a strong urge to gloat in his presence, so I can forgive Mayfield a bit of a staredown.

Has someone told him that Jackson was sacked and didn't just walk out to the Bengals?

[Dan]

I for one am stunned that Josh Rosen got hurt playing against the Rams with that offensive line.

Also, that sidearm throw from Mahomes last night was the latest entry to his highlight reel :drool: Shame their defence is fucking garbage though.

[Dan]

So two LSU guys shot someone dead. One was a walk on guy, but the other was their sophomore RB Clyde Edwards-Helaire.

Apparently they acted in self defence as the dude was trying to rob them & had pulled a gun on them, but the reports say he was shot ‘multiple times’ so whatever way it happened it’s not good.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

If only there was more guns in that situation.

[Dan]

DJ Swearinger came out after the Titans game & called out the Redskins DC, claiming he watches more film than the coaches & saying they should've been playing zone rather than man against Blaine Gabbert at the end of the game.

He was cut today :D

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

That was so smart by Dwayne Harris.

[Dan]

Justin Herbert is officially going back to Oregon next season. They’ve got to be early favourites for the PAC-12, and a decent sleeper playoff team next season. Surely makes Haskins coming out even easier for him now too.

In other news, Phillip Lindsay is done for the year & will need surgery, Blake Bortles is starting in week 17 (as is Kyle Allen for Carolina against the Saints, lol), and DJ Swearinger has been claimed by his old team Arizona.

[Gray Fox]

Full on tanking mode engaged :p

[Foe]

That's a pretty wild decision. Wonder whether the NFL was whiffing on him and it's not clear. Would be surprised to see him go back if they were sounding positive. Particularly given the Matt Barkley scenario really wasn't that long ago and he came out of the same conference.

Haskins has hit the jackpot. Next years draft will be dame day good. Particularly if the pats/steelers/chargers/saints/giants are in the market.

[Giggles]

What has to happen for Indianapolis to get eliminated? Could really do without the inevitable Luck wankathon.

[Dan]

I’d imagine just losing to Tennessee would do it, given they’re both still in the hunt, but a Steelers win would probably help too.

[Dan]

That's a pretty wild decision. Wonder whether the NFL was whiffing on him and it's not clear. Would be surprised to see him go back if they were sounding positive. Particularly given the Matt Barkley scenario really wasn't that long ago and he came out of the same conference.

Haskins has hit the jackpot. Next years draft will be dame day good. Particularly if the pats/steelers/chargers/saints/giants are in the market.

I think it was probably a combination of him having an underwhelming season & the potential they have for next year, especially as one of the guys coming in is his brother. Mario Cristobal seems to be a great recruiter, so he probably had a hand in persuading Herbert to go back too.

I’d imagine at least a couple of the teams with old QBs take someone in the r2-5 range this draft. Should have a ton of developmental guys available, even if we assume Haskins, Lock & Grier all go in round one - Clayton Thorson, Jarrett Stidham, Brett Rypien, Daniel Jones, Ryan Finley, Tyree Jackson, Jordan Ta’amu & probably others I’ve forgotten could all be guys that get picked up to be possible future starters.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I’d imagine just losing to Tennessee would do it, given they’re both still in the hunt, but a Steelers win would probably help too.

Yeah, win and in for them and the Titans.

Steelers need either a draw in that match (I think) and win. Or win and Ravens lose for the division.

[Dan]

Oh shit, I forgot the college playoff games were tomorrow :drool:

[Foe]

Think the good bowl games start from tonight, too. I've basically ignored college football for a couple of weeks so looking forward to it coming back.

[Dan]

We’ve had a couple of decent ones - I was disappointed that BC/Boise State got cancelled, as that could have been good, and Temple/Duke & Miami/Wisconsin from last night have some NFL prospects in, even if they were both blowouts.

It gets legit from now though - even Auburn/Purdue could be worth a look. I’m hoping one of the condensed game YouTube channels starts putting them up, as I won’t be able to watch half of the game otherwise.

[Dan]

Meanwhile, in NFL news, Ben Watson is planning to retire at the end of the season, and KC have given Damien Williams a 2yr deal.

[Ian]

One of my earliest memories of a game I watched as a Broncos fan was Ben Watson charging diagonally across the field to bring down Champ Bailey on an interception return.

[Dan]

Nice of Purdue to field literally no defenders today. Auburn have scored 35pts, including TD passes of 52, 66 & 77 yards, and we're barely into the second quarter. The Jarrett Stidham hype will be growing again at this rate.

[Foe]

Turned it on. Saw the weak defence. Turned it off.

Blowout.

[Dan]

Hakeem Butler has declared for the draft. He's been a beast this season, and he had a pretty tasty catch yesterday, which is basically what he's been doing all season.

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Alamo Bowl looks to have been a pretty good one, actually. Gardner Minshew did his best Baker Mayfield impression in the highlights I've seen.

In other draft news, it looks like the entire Oregon offensive line is coming back, which just makes them even better for next year, and Buffalo QB Tyree Jackson, who's 6' 7" with a monster arm & good athleticism (think Josh Allen wearing platform boots), is applying for a transfer rather than coming out. If he ends up in a decent programme it could be huge for his 2020 draft stock.

[Foe]

Did not realise dexter Lawrence had failed a drug test for PED.

He better hope he can figure out where it came from, or admit his mistake. Three of them failed for the same substance though, so could well be a programme fuck up in a supplement.

Nightmare for the big man, missing the semi final and adding a blemish to his draft stock.

[Foe]

Hoping for a Clemson win here followed by a shootout in the bama Oklahoma game. Would love a Clemson Oklahoma final but suspect bamas defence will stop kyler Murray sometimes whilst Oklahoma defence will not be able to stop bama. Waddle, Judy and that nippy RB that jumps sideways will tear them apart.

[Dan]

Breaks haven't been going Notre Dame's way so far, but it looks like it's going to be a pretty even game.

[Foe]

Yeah. Notre dame are one of those teams I've seen very little of, bar the Michigan game.

They've looked a lot better then I thought they would. The Clemson offence isn't churning as much as I expected. Renfrew aside I'm not sure where their passing game is against a good defence.

Two fumbles from notre dame already though and one from Clemson. Playing with fire.

[Dan]

Justyn Ross is going to be a stud in a year or two. I bloody love Hunter Renfrow as well.

Mitch Hyatt, on the other hand, fucking sucks. That sack he just gave up with embarrassing.

Three calls reversed in favour of Clemson now :D

[Dan]

Breaks haven't been going Notre Dame's way so far, but it looks like it's going to be a pretty even game.

Nevermind. Hell of a catch from Tee Higgins there.

Trevor Lawrence has played well so far. Surprised by how much he's run the ball, but his toughness has been impressive - he took a shot from about three players on one third down run which looked vicious, but he just got up & carried on.

Four calls reversed now, all going from in favour of Notre Dame to in favour of Clemson. Sometimes it's just not your day.

[Dan]

This one might get very ugly, very quickly. Kyler's looking like he wants to go play baseball so far.

I think, if it wasn't already clear, today has made it obvious that there are two teams way ahead of the rest, and the third best team is not one of the ones that made the playoffs.

[Dan]

This could end up being worse than the Auburn/Purdue & Army/Houston games. Alabama are on pace to win 84-0 :D

[Dan]

Well, at least we ended up with a decent game after the first quarter. Alabama did go a bit conservative, but they made plays when they had to. The Josh Jacobs hype train is really picking up steam now - he definitely seems to be in with a shot at being the first RB off the board if he decides to declare.

[Giggles]

Last one tonight :(
That was a quick season.

[Foe]

Yeah, bama never really looked in trouble.

Clemson were also far, far too good for notre dame. Georgia must be raging. They would've done a better job than notre dame or Oklahoma there.

Yeah, josh Jacobs is one of those kamara/cohen/David Johnson types. The big bodies at bama normally take the lead but aren't necessarily the best pro prospect. See bo Scarborough.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

There's talk that the Raiders might play all their home games at Spurs next year. They still haven't sorted a home stadium yet and it's an option they're weighing up.

[Browning]

As if Spurs will be open.

[Giggles]

Adams inactive. There's any good reason for watching out the window now.

[Foe]

Some serious digging down the depth chart today.

Kyle Allen starting for the panthers.

Gonna see what young players have futures this afternoon.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

How do they overturn that Watson TD :cab:

[Giggles]

Packers need to bench Rodgers before he gets done completely. No reason for him to be playing behind that line.

[Foe]

Saints getting whiffed at home by Carolina with Kyle Allen toasting them.

:cab:

[Giggles]

Prater TD pass. That sums up the season.

[Giggles]

Shiiiiit Kizer is inaccurate.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Tannehill is better at catching TD passes than throwing them.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Josh Allen should stick to rushing.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Barkley only the third rookie to do 2,000 scrimmage yards after Dickerson and Edgerrin James.

[Giggles]

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[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Garett Gilbert at QB for Panthers now.

Who?

[thommo]

Josh Allen with 3 passing and 2 rushing TDs today. From what a trainwreck Buffalo seemed at the start of the year, they have some real promise if they can pick up some skill position players for 2019.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Bills throwing a pass to Kyle Williams who is retiring after the game :cool:

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I thought Perriman couldn't catch at M&T bank stadium :moop:

[Giggles]

I thought Perriman couldn't catch at M&T bank stadium :moop:

Won't matter. This is going to be a blowout.

[thommo]

One of the keys to this Ravens rushing attack is the incessant holding from the O-line. Very helpful.

Big Ben moaning as it was clearly the refs fault for him throwing an awful pass and allowing the safety to undercut the route for a pick 6. Wanker.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

This play baffled me:

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Why did Jared Cook not run a route? Why did Derek Carr look over and decide 'yeah, that looks good'?

[Giggles]

Jackson doesn't protect himself at all so the only hope you have is to use that advantage to take him out.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Jackson doesn't protect himself at all so the only hope you have is to use that advantage to take him out.

Indeed.

It's only a matter of when and not if he takes a huge hit.

[Giggles]

Indeed.

It's only a matter of when and not if he takes a huge hit.

The coach on the opposing sideline would suggest tonight could be the night. Maybe even offer a bonus for it ...

[Gray Fox]

We need to win and Vikings lose to take their Wildcard spot. Vikings currently down by 13, we're up by 10. :D

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Jimmy Smith :cool:

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Loomar looks short there and then fumbles.

[Giggles]

Browns completely robbed there.

[thommo]

The Browns getting a rough deal here today. Could easily be 20-14 right now.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Why are the Cardinals trying to win this?

Lose, get the first round pick, trade down slightly and profit.

[Ian]

Garbage game or not, you can't just go about losing 31-0 at home to the sodding Lions.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

CJ mother fucking Mosley :cool:

What a play that was.

[thommo]

Gutting end to it all. Really thought the Browns could complete the comeback and send the Steelers to the playoffs, Mayfield was looking pretty damn good throughout that 2nd half.

[Giggles]

Garbage game or not, you can't just go about losing 31-0 at home to the sodding Lions.

I've never seen less effort.

[Ian]

Aw, I was hoping Chubb might make a push for Kearse's rookie sack record.

[Dan]

I’ll probably get a little end of season awards list up tonight or tomorrow, and try to dig out the preseason one so everyone can lol at me saying the Chiefs were the team most likely to flop & Andy Reid would be the first coach fired.

[Gray Fox]

Fuck me absolutely everyone is being fired.

Vance Joseph, Adam Gase and Marvin Lewis just in the past 30 mins.

[Ian]

Joseph has been a dead man walking for a while.

Apparently Denver have asked New England's permission to interview their defensive coordinator.

[Gray Fox]

Packers want Josh McDaniels too.

[thommo]

Fuck me absolutely everyone is being fired.

Vance Joseph, Adam Gase and Marvin Lewis just in the past 30 mins.

Koetter and Bowles already went late yesterday too. Black Monday living up to its name.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Raiders are hiring Mike fucking Mayock to be their GM :D

At least we wont have to hear his bollocks during draft day and we'll get to see how shit he really is.

[Gray Fox]

Add Steve Wilkes to the list, less than 24 hours after Patrick Peterson says he was staying.

[Dan]

The Bengals ditching Marvin Lewis after a billion years (and presumably sending him into an executive role) only to then hire Hue Jackson is fantastic. Baker must be giddy right now.

Gase is probably the least deserving fire (I guess Wilkes too considering he’s had one season with a team that has about five NFL starters on the entire roster), but hopefully we’ll see some interesting hires.

Is the Mayock thing actually happening, or are we still going off him having an interview?

Hunter Henry is apparently going to play against Baltimore :drool:

[Gray Fox]

Mayock is already in the building and signed.

[Dan]

Oh shit :cool:

Coach & GM both hired straight off the telly having not been directly involved in day to day football operations for decades. What can possibly go wrong?

[Giggles]

Packers want Josh McDaniels too.

Christ.

[Gray Fox]

It's being reported that Antonio Brown didn't play this weekend gone as he had a disagreement with Big Ben the week before. He expected Tomlin to ease the situation in the media but he pretended like it never happened.

Brown turned up for walkthroughs but then quit them and left the stadium before half time.

Reports now say he has requested a trade away from the team.

[Giggles]

It's being reported that Antonio Brown didn't play this weekend gone as he had a disagreement with Big Ben the week before. He expected Tomlin to ease the situation in the media but he pretended like it never happened.

Brown turned up for walkthroughs but then quit them and left the stadium before half time.

Reports now say he has requested a trade away from the team.

Does this qualify as Madden curse?

[Dan]

If you're Buffalo/Arizona/NY Jets/San Fran/Oakland do you give up your first rounder for him?

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Oakland would be stupid not to (which means they wont) considering the capital they have.

The only one I think can be ruled out is the Niners.

[Gray Fox]

49ers should be straight on the phone. Him Kittle and Jimmy G would be disgusting especially once they get McKinnon back.

Whether the Steelers would allow both Brown and Bell to leave is another matter.