It's Big Sam...

[Pleb]

Batter down the hatches, this is going to get a bit messy.

Confirmed on SSNHQ apparently.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

https://i.imgur.com/dbEmQma.png

The FA need to hurry up and confirm it :drool:

[Pepe]

:cool:

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOgToHw7ABI

I fucking love Big Sam.

[Sam]

Lol people up in arms over this. It's almost as if these prize muppets haven't even watched football. Best appointment in a long time.

[niko_cee]

I dearly hope he turns out to be a legend.

At least we won't get relegated.

[Disco]

It's official. :cool:

[Kikó]

I'm chuffed for him. He's a proper manager who actually has grafted around English football for ages and had relative success.

That actually describes Roy.

Shite.

[Sam]

What a man.

https://mobile.twitter.com/Matt_Chappp/status/736869374221553664/video/1

[bruhnaldo]

Brilliant.

[Amigo]

Quality appointment, that.

[Magic]

LOL a couple of years ago people would be furious at this appointment.

[Raoul Duke]

Probably the best appointment we could make right now. The biggest test will be whether he bins people who aren't fit/in-form.

[Pleb]

Fucking scenes this.

[Byron]

Fuck yeah.

[Yevrah]

Probably the best appointment we could make right now. The biggest test will be whether he bins people who aren't fit/in-form.

Yep, we'll know from pretty much his first squad as to whether he's up for the task or not.

If Wilshere's anywhere near it, then he's not.

[Shindig]

Has there been any betting markets for the Sunderland job?

[niko_cee]

I'm chuffed for him. He's a proper manager who actually has grafted around English football for ages and had relative success.

That actually describes Roy.

Shite.

It doesn't really.

[Shindig]

Yeah, Roy had relative success all over the shop.

[Giggles]

Has there been any betting markets for the Sunderland job?

Is it not nailed on as Moyes?

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Is it not nailed on as Moyes?

Yeah.

http://www.oddschecker.com/football/football-specials/sunderland/next-permanent-manager

[Lewis]

Yeah, Roy had relative success all over the shop.

Then he came home and thought his la-di-da foreign shite knew best. No chance.

[John]

Hodgson also let Roberto Carlos go to Real Madrid for buttons after telling him he'd never be a left back, so the evidence that he was a clueless shitehawk was there long ago.

[Giggles]

This all sounds like pre Euro 16 :drool:

[mugbull]

I've said it before, but TTH's reaction here is unbelievable. Maybe he is the best appointment you could make, but you shouldn't be happy about it. His skillset is keeping shit teams from relegation. I don't think England will do any better under him than under Hodgson

[niko_cee]

If he's shite at least he's our shite, rather than Sweden's, Italy's or Finwitzerland's shite.

[GS]

Allardyce will at least instil some sort of identity in the team, and it's obvious that he'll fucking love being in the job. Hodgson gave the impression he liked turning up at that expensive new training ground and boring youth players with lectures on the merits of 4-4-2.

If you want an English candidate, you might as well have someone who has at least demonstrated a consistent ability to mould shit players with no confidence into a cohesive unit. He's also worked his way up through the game, so he's not some Schteve type getting it on the back of a couple of good years with Middlesbrough.

[Mike]

'Big Sam' is too good for the England job. He should be aiming higher.

[Disco]

He may well be shit but how would that be any different from what we're used to? If there's even half a chance that he can pick 10 centre backs and Andy Carroll or do hilarious things like drop Rooney then it's absolutely worth it.

[John]

I've said it before, but TTH's reaction here is unbelievable. Maybe he is the best appointment you could make, but you shouldn't be happy about it. His skillset is keeping shit teams from relegation. I don't think England will do any better under him than under Hodgson

Joachim Low's CV was a spell in Turkey and loads of pissing about in Austria. The new Italy manager has managed half the clubs in the country, but it's the bottom half.

Allardyce's skill set is turning a group of players into more than they are. When he's managing shit that turns into improbable escapes from relegation. When he's got a bit of talent to play with it's getting Bolton into Europe.

[Reg]

Allardyce will at least instil some sort of identity in the team, and it's obvious that he'll fucking love being in the job.
:nodd:

We need a team with an actual game plan; it doesn't need to be complicated, look at Wales. He is suited to international football. Unless you're Brazil/Spain, it's mostly about doing the basics as a team as well as possible.

The players can't be frightened and neither can the manager. Soon-to-be-overpaid Sam is the man.

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One for Lewis: http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/sunderland-vs-chelsea-sam-allardyce-reveals-use-of-transcendental-meditation-amid-relegation-a7016996.html

Also this bit was good from the Guardian:


https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2016/jul/19/england-manager-candidates-sam-allardyce-steve-bruce-eddie-howe-jurgen-klinnsmann

Arguably the strongest English candidate by some distance. Given the clubs he has managed his record of having never suffered relegation from the Premier League is no mean feat. Performed a minor miracle to keep a very poor Sunderland side out of the Championship last season. Behind the deceptively brash, bruising exterior Allardyce is an intelligent, innovative manager who has helped pioneer the use of, among many other things, sports science, statistics and psychology. A technically skilled tracksuit coach he improved hitherto liabilites such as Younès Kaboul and Patrick van Aanholt beyond recognition at Sunderland last season. An expert at setting teams up for specific matches he has squeezed the maximum out of some very ordinary players and knows precisely how to play to people’s strengths. Proved he could manage highly tricky egos during his stewardship of such high-maintenance indidivuals as Jay‑Jay Okocha, Youri Djorkaeff and Nicolas Anelka at Bolton. Listens to what people have to say - staff and players report he gives them the invaluable sense of working “with him” rather than “for him.” A wonderful champion of English coaches and managers he grasps the “bigger picture” and would work with the English game’s longer term good very much in mind. On a micro level, knows all about the dark arts of gamesmanship which, while not to be condoned, could come in useful. The health and welfare of individual players are always of paramount concern to this student of physiology and mental health. Infinitely less abrasive and chippy than during his younger days he is much mellowed – something he partly ascribes to regular transendental meditation. Sufficiently tough, battle-hardened and bloody-minded this warhorse will ride out bouts of media criticism and fan unrest. Not to mention boot out any bad, disruptive, locker room apples.

[igor_balis]

Allardyce's skill set is turning a group of players into more than they are. When he's managing shit that turns into improbable escapes from relegation. When he's got a bit of talent to play with it's getting Bolton into Europe.

Exactly.

[Magic]

He'll absolutely shit it, by the way. :)

He's used to working with plodders or low confidence fuckwits. Not WORLD FAMOUS SUPERSTARS with god given talent (let's not say they are shit now). Complete mis-match. Watch them scrape through another shite qualifying group and get knocked out at the group stages.

[Kikó]

It would be the greatest thing ever seeing Allardyce laughing in Putin's face when he lifts the world cup. It's on.

[John]

He'll absolutely shit it, by the way. :)

He's used to working with plodders or low confidence fuckwits. Not WORLD FAMOUS SUPERSTARS with god given talent (let's not say they are shit now). Complete mis-match. Watch them scrape through another shite qualifying group and get knocked out at the group stages.

You're right. He certainly fluffed his lines with World Cup and European Championship winner Youri Djorkaeff.

[Magic]

When he was miles past his best?

[Shindig]

Hodgson also let Roberto Carlos go to Real Madrid for buttons after telling him he'd never be a left back, so the evidence that he was a clueless shitehawk was there long ago.

When's the last time you ever saw him track back?

[GS]

Hodgson also let Roberto Carlos go to Real Madrid for buttons after telling him he'd never be a left back, so the evidence that he was a clueless shitehawk was there long ago.

This is quite good on some of Hodgson's other 'ideas' in training. It's also quite good at sticking the boot into Rodgers and his lol-worthy dressing room antics.

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/daniel-agger-good-bad-ugly-11639663

[Bartholomert]

Great hire. I want John Terry regens across the back, Steven Gerrad in a deep-lying playmaker position with direct passing and long shots slider on maximum, and Andy Carrol as target man.

:drool:

[Manc]

Big Sam on the transdental meditation train. :drool:

[Shindig]

http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/onesport/cps/800/cpsprodpb/155B4/production/_90467478_allardyce2.jpg

He is Mike Bassett.

[Lewis]

They wrote 'transcendental meditation', but it's actually just turning his phone off and crushing a chippy tea in the dark.

[John]

When he was miles past his best?

A year after he won the Euros.

[SvN]

Years overdue. Let's see what you've got, Sam.

[mugbull]

Well if he managed Youri Djorkaeff then he can do anything. What a leader.

[Lewis]

http://i65.tinypic.com/2nq6xzr.jpg

Everything about that picture is exactly what we need.

[Disco]

If there's about nine sugars in that tea then we're definitely winning the World Cup.

[Raoul Duke]

It's gonna be confusing when Ray Winstone is doing his weird shouty floating head adverts, seeing as he's Big Sam's regen

[Boydy]

This is analagous to how Corbyn supporters feel, I reckon.

[Bartholomert]

This is analagous to how Corbyn supporters feel, I reckon.

Maybe the analogy would work if capitalism had failed every single time it had been implemented and he had been elected PM.

[7om]

"Batter down the hatches". Jesus Christ, Pleb.

It's almost as bad as peddle stool.

[Yevrah]

This is analagous to how Corbyn supporters feel, I reckon.

Nailed it.

[igor_balis]

Lads I'm really pissed but I think we're gonna win the world cup.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36851259


He took them on day trips to places such as the Lake District, where the players had races sitting on toilets to see who could go round the field quickest.

Amazing.

[Magic]

Well if he managed Youri Djorkaeff then he can do anything. What a leader.

Welcome to John desperately trying to prove something somebody said was wrong and failing miserably. Total freak.

[John]

You've taken my concern for your welfare well, Magic.

He's successfully managed players with talent and reputation before is the point. Djorkaeff coming into line under him having won international honours one year previously is just the most obvious example.

[Davgooner]

Fucking hate the geezer, but they had to go for him at this point and I think he'll do a decent job. We need to stop trying to copy other countries and just get on with what we've got, and he's probably about as good as it gets in that respect.

Not sure about this, though:


If Wilshere's anywhere near it, then he's not.

What a cunt!

[elth]

Shattered they didn't go for Klinsmann.

Seriously though, I think Allardyce is the best candidate by miles. I'm mostly surprised that the FA actually seem to have made the right decision for once.

England will still fail miserably of course, because England.

[Bartholomert]

I wonder what the political breakdown would be for those who were 'in favor' versus 'against' the Allardyce appointment...

[bruhnaldo]

Shattered they didn't go for Klinsmann.

Me too.

[Reg]

If his players : overachievement ratio stays the same, I guess that means quarter final in the World Cup (32 teams). Which isn't great but it'll probably be more watchable because he'll have done things right.

[phonics]

We will once again go out to the first decent team we face which is what should have happened if Woy hadn't bottled it and shoehorned in four players who'd barely played during the qualifiers. This guy barely got Sundeland past the post against one of the most embarrassing Newcastle sides of all time and for all his 'upsets against the big boys' most of them are draws against disinterested teams.

He's the best choice of a frankly god awful bunch.

[igor_balis]

Confirmed. Sweet!

[Lewis]

756590231592243204

[Reg]

:D Chuffed for him.

Phil Brown's thoughts: https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2016/jul/22/sam-allardyce-england-manager-phil-brown

[ScousePig]

We will once again go out to the first decent team we face which is what should have happened if Woy hadn't bottled it and shoehorned in four players who'd barely played during the qualifiers. This guy barely got Sundeland past the post against one of the most embarrassing Newcastle sides of all time and for all his 'upsets against the big boys' most of them are draws against disinterested teams.

He's the best choice of a frankly god awful bunch.

Nonsense. He did a great job in his small time here, make no mistake. He's not the best of a bad bunch, he's just good.

[phonics]

The guy had 30 games and still nearly got relegated by a team run by an absolute clown with players that didn't give two shits for the majority of the season.

[Shindig]

"Cup semi final? Sorry, lads. Concentrate on league matters."

[Lewis]

The guy had 30 games and still nearly got relegated by a team run by an absolute clown with players that didn't give two shits for the majority of the season.

Wasn't it widely accepted that Sunderland was a basket case full of over-paid shite who didn't care? I definitely remember lolling at Scouse when he was trying to argue that they had a mid-table squad.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Arsenal fan in hating Big Sam shocker.

[GS]

Allardyce is a perfectly good manager. The question is whether he can cope with the PRESSURE when there's a shit performance or result, given he comes from an environment where he's mates with the media and gets away with shit on the basis that 'Big Sam, mate'.

He hasn't had to face Ian Wright's indignation when English beans on toast grit doesn't get them over the line and the media were already hypothesising on the team for the next game.

That's the big change for him. However, he's clearly the best of a poor batch if you want an English manager.

[Yevrah]

The absolute key is whether or not he accepts mediocrity and follows the established order of things, picking players that are unfit or out of form just because they're the big names, for example.

If he doesn't he has a chance, if he does he'll definitely be gone by July 2018.

[Yevrah]

Allardyce is a perfectly good manager. The question is whether he can cope with the PRESSURE when there's a shit performance or result, given he comes from an environment where he's mates with the media and gets away with shit on the basis that 'Big Sam, mate'.

He hasn't had to face Ian Wright's indignation when English beans on toast grit doesn't get them over the line and the media were already hypothesising on the team for the next game.

That's the big change for him. However, he's clearly the best of a poor batch if you want an English manager.

I don't agree with any of this, he just needs to not do the things that we can all see are majorly retarded to give himself a chance. After that the media noise becomes just that.

We'll know pretty soon if he's up to it or not.

[GS]

I don't disagree that it'll be a good indicator, but the question of whether or not he'll survive isn't based on that. It'll come down to whether his teams play shit football and achieve shit results.

For that reason, I think you underestimate the sense of entitlement that exists in the media when England are playing.

Not picking Wilshere when he's not fit or Rooney when he's just shit would be a very good start, but whatever he does the media, particularly pundits, are going to want performances and results. That's when the pressure kicks in, and his 'but Big Sam' shield doesn't work anymore. You could see 'nice guy Roy Hodgson' getting snarky as fuck when he was challenged on things where he'd previously have been given a free pass at a Fulham or a West Brom.

[Reg]

In my lifetime I don't think there's ever been a better time for a manager like Allardyce. We don't have any players like peak Scholes, Gerrard, Lampard, Beckham, Rooney, Owen and so on. Our current players are not that different from the sides he has managed (and worse than some).

Not that I think he wouldn't have a chance with our best teams of the past, but it will not be such a step into the unknown as it would have been ten or twelve years ago.

[ScousePig]

Wasn't it widely accepted that Sunderland was a basket case full of over-paid shite who didn't care? I definitely remember lolling at Scouse when he was trying to argue that they had a mid-table squad.

I'll be proven right this season and then watch the back tracking.

Phonics is probably best ignoring in this instance. He's way off.

[ScousePig]

I don't agree with any of this, he just needs to not do the things that we can all see are majorly retarded to give himself a chance. After that the media noise becomes just that.

We'll know pretty soon if he's up to it or not.

He'll do the 'right' things, I'm confident of that.

[phonics]

I'll be proven right this season and then watch the back tracking.

Phonics is probably best ignoring in this instance. He's way off.

So is it a mid table squad that he under performed with or a shit squad that he did great with? It can't be both.

[ScousePig]

So is it a mid table squad that he under performed with or a shit squad that he did great with? It can't be both.

He only arrived in October and his points tally extrapolated over the season would have given us 44/45 points. This also means (of course) that he couldn't strengthen us until January (mid way through the season), which he did significantly. The second half of the season ie January onwards would have seen us accumulate 51 points over the course of the season, enough for 8th.

Happy to help.

[Shindig]

I'll be proven right this season and then watch the back tracking.

Phonics is probably best ignoring in this instance. He's way off.

Quoting it. There are so many different pressures and variables that come with international management. The squad's rarely static, although his cup record actually seems good. League Cup finals with Bolton, Semis with Bolton, Bkackburn and West Ham. I think his biggest problem is the mentality amongst the players. None of them felt like leaders in France so there was no forward momentum. And the job will come with more scrutiny so, if he gets bung-ho again, he'll be out on his arse.

Then there's the FA. They expected a semi-final in France. Sam might show improvement in the squad and a bright future but, if he doesn't hit an arbitrary mark like that in two years, he could get punted. Plus Joe Public's unwillingness to accept him, etc.

[niko_cee]

Fatman remains as captain, so signs are not good. Hopefully he's some European style totetmic/club captain rather than the first name on the team sheet. If he starts in midfield . . .

[ScousePig]

Quoting it. There are so many different pressures and variables that come with international management. The squad's rarely static, although his cup record actually seems good. League Cup finals with Bolton, Semis with Bolton, Bkackburn and West Ham. I think his biggest problem is the mentality amongst the players. None of them felt like leaders in France so there was no forward momentum. And the job will come with more scrutiny so, if he gets bung-ho again, he'll be out on his arse.

Then there's the FA. They expected a semi-final in France. Sam might show improvement in the squad and a bright future but, if he doesn't hit an arbitrary mark like that in two years, he could get punted. Plus Joe Public's unwillingness to accept him, etc.

It's strange. I went through a spell where I wasn't happy with any of our managerial appointments, and now for the last three or so I've been very happy: Poyet was a breath of fresh air to what preceeded him but he couldn't maintain it; Advocaat worked wonders but then tailed off after he decided to stay, and Sam did pretty great and then went on to bigger things. It think profile wise Moyes is the biggest we've had.

As for Allardyce, I'm confident he'll get the best out of the England lot. Whatever that is. Most on here seem to agree.

[phonics]

Arsenal fan in hating Big Sam shocker.

Just seen this. It's the biggest falsehood of all time.

Sams record v Arsenal:
Played 30
Won 4
Lost 19
Drew 7

I don't hate Big Sam. As I said, he's the best of a bad bunch. But we have to be honest with ourselves and say it's a very, very, very bad bunch.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Arsenal fans have to stick up for the concept of Beautiful Football, or basically admit that the last decade of their lives has been time wasted.

[phonics]

ITT: A lot of people projecting their own inadequacies on Arsenal fans.

[Angelsaint]

Just wanna say that this is the best English manager for the last 30 years ( random number before anyone starts making a thing about this) , even in front of Sven.

[Shindig]

If you're going to pick a random number, don't pick one that's incorrect. 30 years includes Glenn Hoddle, Terry Venables and Sir Bobby Robson.

[Angelsaint]

Google "random"...

Anywho besides Bobby robs, I would be correct.

[Jimmy Floyd]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/07/30/england-disunited-how-the-soul-of-english-football-came-to-be-br/

Great article. Worth reading the whole thing and it's hard to deny its conclusion.

[Sam]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/07/30/england-disunited-how-the-soul-of-english-football-came-to-be-br/

Great article. Worth reading the whole thing and it's hard to deny its conclusion.

I'd agree with that whole heartedly. Own case is more in line with the Liverpool aspect. I'm from the Black Country and then anything involving England is second. Hell, the national team is just a decent excuse for piss up.

[Lewis]

761865832188219392

Fucking yes. :cool:

[7om]

Sam :drool:

I like to think he smashed three quarter pounders in the car park.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Only three?

[Shindig]

"Sorry, lads. No transfer news today..."

[Kikó]

Doing his bit too keep the sponsors happy. Top top man.

[niko_cee]

If he doesn't have a secret menu item dedicated to him, then he should.

A Big Sam please.

[Angelsaint]

McDonald's sponsor England?

[Jimmy Floyd]

They sponsor the FA I think.

[Angelsaint]

Really? That's a strange link but I guess money talks.

[phonics]

Really? That's a strange link but I guess money talks.

http://imgur.com/N5FzlNz.png

[Lewis]

Otherwise people would forget that they exist.

[Disco]

Stranger than such paragons of sporting virtue such as the lager and bookmaking industries?

[Yevrah]

McDonalds sponsorship is ingrained in English football.

I was at these awards yesterday at Wembley and they 'support' something like 7,000 grassroots clubs.

http://www.thefa.com/my-football/community/fa-community-awards

[phonics]

Otherwise people would forget that they exist.

Looking for that list of sponsorships I did find something interesting. Apparently one of the reasons they're involved is because attendance to a McDonalds drops 5-6% when a large sporting event is on so they think it's effective advertising. The other being free tickets for stuff for franchise owners makes them more likely to stick with McDonalds and not turn the place into a Subway.

[Angelsaint]

As I said money talks but should not be allowed any sponsorship at youth level.

[Giggles]

As I said money talks but should not be allowed any sponsorship at youth level.

Unless they're force feeding burgers to kids then there's no problem. Up to people to be responsible for themselves and their own spawn.

[bruhnaldo]

As I said money talks but should not be allowed any sponsorship at youth level.

So then who is going to pay for all of their equipment and what have you?

[Angelsaint]

Unless they're force feeding burgers to kids then there's no problem. Up to people to be responsible for themselves and their own spawn.

Stupid argument.
We all have responsibility over the kids. McDonald's should be as much allowed near kids as a drug cartel. If you don't see the problem, then you have a problem.

[Angelsaint]

So then who is going to pay for all of their equipment and what have you?

Another sponsor that fulfill the requirements of among others not serving poison to kids.

[Reg]

Fight the good fight, Saint!

I agree actually.

[Giggles]

Stupid argument.
We all have responsibility over the kids. McDonald's should be as much allowed near kids as a drug cartel. If you don't see the problem, then you have a problem.

No we don't. They're not our kids and they're not McDonald's kids. People need to raise their own and stop expecting society and 'role models' to do it for them. The fact that so many don't bother is the real problem.

Again, nobody is force feeding anyone a big mac.

[Kikó]

Being sponsored by a major fast food chain isn't the greatest message. May as well get Benson and Hedges in as well.

But then welcome to modern day sponsorship, everything is good if they're giving you coin.

[Spammer]

I remember watching my teenage cousin play Sunday league when I was about 5 and wanting the other team to win because they had McDonald's on their shirt.

[Giggles]

Being sponsored by a major fast food chain isn't the greatest message. May as well get Benson and Hedges in as well.

But then welcome to modern day sponsorship, everything is good if they're giving you coin.

Nobody would be forcing Bensons on any kids either.

[Kikó]

You're reinforcing the product as something that is linked with health/the national sport. It's not a product you want to be associating with your game unless you really don't care.

[Giggles]

You're reinforcing the product as something that is linked with health/the national sport. It's not a product you want to be associating with your game unless you really don't care.

But if kids don't know that cigarettes are harmful then their patents should be locked up. Sponsors are advertising, not forcing.

[Kikó]

You don't think advertising has any part to play in behaviour?

[Giggles]

You don't think advertising has any part to play in behaviour?

Not if responsible parents do their job like they should be. Can't be expecting advertising to raise their kids for them.

[Mellberg]

Excellent point.

[mugbull]

It's not like Coca Cola sponsoring everything under the sun is any better, but yeah, as a public health issue, advertising for products aimed at youth should not involve nasty shit like that

[Shindig]

I wonder if someone's tried to correlate betting ads to betting addiction in children.

[bruhnaldo]

Another sponsor that fulfill the requirements of among others not serving poison to kids.

Apologies, I had thought you said sponsorship shouldn't be allowed at that level entirely.

[Giggles]

I wonder if someone's tried to correlate betting ads to betting addiction in children.

Everyone should sue betfred on behalf of the children immediately.

[GS]

I see McDonalds advertising fucking everywhere, it doesn't mean I feel compelled to walk into every one I pass to have a Big Mac with fries.

Advertising / partnering with McDonalds by the FA is perfectly fine - it's all about money, after all. The idea they're in it for anything else should be ridiculed by everybody.

[Lewis]

It's awfully good of 'Daws' to take time out from his busy schedule of robbing pensioners and taxpayers to weep for declining sponsorship standards.

[Angelsaint]

I see McDonalds advertising fucking everywhere, it doesn't mean I feel compelled to walk into every one I pass to have a Big Mac with fries.


Yes, you would. Well not everyone but certainly you would enter and buy a McDonald's menu.

This is why the advertising companies advertise!

[GS]

Yes, and then it's down to the individual whether they want buy a Big Mac with fries.

It's called personal responsibility. If you end up weighing thirty stone, it's nobody's fault but your own.

[Angelsaint]

Yes, and then it's down to the individual whether they want buy a Big Mac with fries.

It's called personal responsibility. If you end up weighing thirty stone, it's nobody's fault but your own.
Are you serious?
We live in a world where everyone knows how to be healthy and still obesity rises by the second.
Fuckin hell, everyone knows how to have 6 pack like Ronaldo and very few do it.
We are humans, we don't have personal responsibility. Therefore we have rules.
We just can't control ourselves!

[Giggles]

Are you serious?
We live in a world where everyone knows how to be healthy and still obesity rises by the second.
Fuckin hell, everyone knows how to have 6 pack like Ronaldo and very few do it.
We are humans, we don't have personal responsibility. Therefore we have rules.
We just can't control ourselves!

Everyone knows but not everyone cares enough or has the responsibility to do it. Those that don't only have themselves to blame, not the companies selling the bad food.

[Lewis]

Most people could never 'have a 6 pack like Ronaldo' without devoting their entire lives to doing so.

[Spikey M]

You could say that about arms and drug dealers.

You're also not considering how much obesity fucks over the NHS.

Giggles obv

[Jimmy Floyd]

'a Big Mac with fries' is such a GS turn of phrase.

[Reg]

Most people could never 'have a 6 pack like Ronaldo' without devoting their entire lives to doing so.
Eh? Not sure about that. Most people could never play football like Ronaldo without devoting seventeen lives to doing so, but a six pack is achievable.

Anyway I don't see why society shouldn't play a part in influencing people, and especially kids, in the right ways. You can't say kids seeing McDonald's logos everywhere they go won't be effected negatively. And "personal responsibility" is no good reason where there is opportunity to help other people.

[GS]

Companies should be free to advertise, in the same way as consumers should be free to buy the shit they're advertising if they want to.

People have to help themselves first and foremost. Nobody is marching them into a McDonalds at gunpoint and telling them to eat there.

[Reg]

Well that's quite obvious but I'm not a fan of the "well it's their own fault" school of thought. People should help other people, that's the point of society.

[Lewis]

Most people could have visible abdominal muscles (if not necessarily in the healthiest manner), but a Ronaldo physique is something else. He is a genetic freak, and yet he still spends most of the day training or recovering in some capacity, and he probably spares no expense having all of his food prepared for him. Where does the average geezer find the time and inclination to bother?

[Spikey M]

Fuck helping people, just let them pay for their own medical expenses. The weight drops off when you can't afford to eat.

[Giggles]

Well that's quite obvious but I'm not a fan of the "well it's their own fault" school of thought. People should help other people, that's the point of society.

No it's not.

[Spikey M]

Ronaldo's body fat is well in to single figures %age wise. Without letting it rule your life most people wouldn't get near 10%

[GS]

Well that's quite obvious but I'm not a fan of the "well it's their own fault" school of thought. People should help other people, that's the point of society.

By doing what? Barricading the entrances to McDonalds? Nobody's suggesting we refuse to treat them on the publicly-funded NHS afterwards.

[GS]

No it's not.

Quite. Most people just want the government to leave them alone.

[Spikey M]

I am. Fuck 'em. Smokers too.

[Reg]

By doing what? Barricading the entrances to McDonalds? Nobody's suggesting we refuse to treat them on the publicly-funded NHS afterwards.
Well even if you disagree with the basic point, I don't understand the last sentence there. What's the point of letting people screw themselves up if you've got to help them later at great cost?

[Giggles]

I am. Fuck 'em. Smokers too.

Steps could have been in place to start phasing out smoking years ago, but why fix a problem when you can tax a problem?

[Spikey M]

Build a wall around them and make Mexico pay.

[Lewis]

Ronaldo's body fat is well in to single figures %age wise. Without letting it rule your life most people wouldn't get near 10%

Basically. And then if you could get it to six or eight or whatever he is per cent, as soon as you started eating to increase your strength/size/endurance, anyone not blessed with Ronaldo genetics (or Ronaldo single-mindedness) would inevitably put some fat back on. He's probably the sort of freak who hasn't eaten crisps in fifteen years. Fuck that.

[GS]

Well even if you disagree with the basic point, I don't understand the last sentence there. What's the point of letting people screw themselves up if you've got to help them later at great cost?

Would I only be allowed one takeaway a fortnight because the state mandates that this is the recommended level? How would you enforce this sort of ridiculous restriction? What actually constitutes 'helping' people, as you put it?

The reason why you treat them afterwards is because that's what the NHS is there for.

[Reg]

Helping people is enforcing "smoking kills" labels etc, and since McDonald's is objectively awful health wise... But we just disagree on the basic argument.

Lewis Yeah I see what you're getting at, he's an exception.

[Lewis]

From a simple cost perspective, isn't it better that more people eat and smoke and drink themselves to death? Yeah, you have to spend money on diabetics and that whilst they're alive; but the actual colossal drain on Our NHS is old people, so even the fully state-funded fatties dropping dead at fifty saves money in the long-term.

[GS]

Helping people is enforcing "smoking kills" labels etc, and since McDonald's is objectively awful health wise... But we just disagree on the basic argument.

Lewis Yeah I see what you're getting at, he's an exception.

Right, but I don't see what the basic argument is. You're suggesting that people shouldn't be able to eat at McDonalds when they want to, or that they shouldn't be allowed to advertise in the same way as every other company is entitled to. That's just lol.

[phonics]

Right, but I don't see what the basic argument is. You're suggesting that people shouldn't be able to eat at McDonalds when they want to, or that they shouldn't be allowed to advertise in the same way as every other company is entitled to. That's just lol.

Cigarette companies aren't allowed to.

[Raoul Duke]

The Big Sam Big Mac would be a winner.

[GS]

You're not comparing tobacco to food, I would hope.

[phonics]

I couldn't care less about this argument. I'm just pointing out it's not like every other company can advertise. There are also thousands of rules on what, when and how you can advertise to children. McDonalds, for instance, can't have ads during Saturday morning cartoons but can sponsor your Saturday morning U-8's football match.

[GS]

Every peer or comparable company operating within the same or comparable sectors - for example: Burger King, KFC, Nandos, whatever.

You'll note I didn't say they should be allowed to advertise wholly unrestricted. I did, however, say that the consumer should be free to avail of their goods or services wholly unrestricted if it is their choice to do so.

If they end up weighing thirty stone by the end of it, that's not the fault of the company.

[phonics]

This thread has clearly moved on. I wasn't addressing any such point.

[Kikó]

It's awfully good of 'Daws' to take time out from his busy schedule of robbing pensioners and taxpayers to weep for declining sponsorship standards.

Hold up Lew, when am I on the take?

[Lewis]

Stick your bonus up your arse.

[elth]

can we get back to lolling at England please

[niko_cee]

The Big Sam Big Mac would be a winner.

A quadruple cheeseburger would be the go. 4 burgers, 4 slices of cheese, 2 bits of bun.

[Giggles]

A quadruple cheeseburger would be the go. 4 burgers, 4 slices of cheese, 2 bits of bun.

Fuck the bun. He'll have it all between two extra burgers.

[niko_cee]

A mega version of the air, land and sea burger.

[phonics]

Nah, it's a Big Tasty but instead of veg it's sausages and instead of that minging sauce, it's gravy.

[Kikó]

It's this
http://i.imgur.com/Arhisoj.jpg

[phonics]

What the fuck is a barm?

[Boydy]

It's pretty obvious from that picture.

[phonics]

But what's the difference between a barm and a bap.

[Kikó]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/12/05/article-2518450-19DAE96600000578-44_634x449.jpg

[phonics]

There is clearly a difference between a roll and a bap.

[Lewis]

What he originally posted was a Wigan kebab.

[Kikó]

I did take it in Wigan. Is that the actual name?

[Lewis]

It can also be the Wigan burger, or the Wigan bap. They need to get over pies.

[Sam]

Cob. Another Midlands institution.

[Giggles]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blaa

[Boydy]

Fucking southerners. A roll is long. Like a finger roll. When it's the shape of that picture above, it's a bap. Baps and rolls aren't the same thing.

[Disco]

Fucking southerners. A roll is long. Like a finger roll. When it's the shape of that picture above, it's a bap. Baps and rolls aren't the same thing.

If rolls are only long then why the need to call it a finger roll in the first place?

[John]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blaa

Protected status. :D

[Boydy]

So you stupid southerners wold be able to tell the difference.

[niko_cee]

I believe the Scotch call them rolls ('roll and sausage') and I reckon they're world authorities on the subject. They have the best rolls.

Baps are something else entirely.

[Spammer]

I call them breadcakes.

[phonics]

So you stupid southerners wold be able to tell the difference.

That's definitely not a southern thing. As a man who grew up in Kent and Surrey, there is a clear difference between the two.

[Disco]

So you stupid southerners wold be able to tell the difference.

So you're enablers, nice.

[Spikey M]

They call them batches in Coventry, so we can rule that out as a term to be used. Weirdos.

[Kikó]

It's a barm. #wearethe14

[Angelsaint]

Allow me to be a bit off topic. big Sam is awesome! For once I will be for England in the world Cup.

[Ian]

It's definitely a batch, Spikey.

[Giggles]

Protected status. :D

I never knew that. Is that the same thing as Champagne, proper parmesan, etc?

[GS]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CtTvWu9W8AYaXoo.jpg

This might be fun.

[Lofty]

You win this round, GS :moop:

He will be sacked, surely?

[Disco]

In the best traditions of good England managers.

[Lewis]

It doesn't sound that bad when you read the headline article (unless there is more to come). I'm sure they will moan at him for not repeating the company line, but it's not particularly dodgy.

[Reg]

Could have just hired Harry Redknapp years ago.

[Kikó]

How is Sam's lawsuit going against panorama again?

[Magic]

Just look at that bloated cunt. Pint of Peroni, top button open white shirt, suit jacket.

[niko_cee]

Wasn't the main point of appointing him in the first place that you could just lol all this type of shit (ie everything ever committed to print) off?

[Spikey M]

I doubt that even makes the top 100 of dodgy shit he's been up to.

[Magic]

Worse than 'Arry imo.

[niko_cee]

Considering where football is these days you could say this type of longstanding commitment to corruption is as visionary as all that prozone crap he was at the forefront of.

[Jimmy Floyd]

In what way is he 'using his position as England manager' in that story?

Still, bent fuck. I'd love an investigation team to follow Michael Emenalo around for six months and see what he does.

[Shindig]

He probably still has Jay-Jay Okocha's family in an attic somewhere.

[Boydy]

Just look at that bloated cunt. Pint of Peroni, top button open white shirt, suit jacket.

What's wrong with that?

[Magic]

What's wrong with that?

Lol. :console:

[Boydy]

Lol yourself, this is another one of your trying to hard to be middle class things whereas really someone with class wouldn't give a shit.

[Boydy]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/10/13/05/2D1EE46500000578-3270259-image-m-67_1444711027878.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/05/11/16/340B477B00000578-3585140-image-a-183_1462982339425.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/12/10/article-2521121-03CAF9E800000514-751_638x482.jpg

http://media.gq.com/photos/572bea99655ba1b13f3b9ee1/master/pass/tom-hiddleston-look-book-suits-16.jpg

Ten points if you can spot the link, Magic.

[GS]

Floyd's mate has offered the definitive inside view on this:

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[Sam]

Heh, who really gives a fuck? Football in being a bit bent shocker.

[Jimmy Floyd]

He probably talked to Prince William.

[Max Power]

I don't see how he's 'used his position as England manager', other than to maybe up his personal fee. But it's bad no doubt, I'd be surprised if he survived.

[elth]

Who would they replace him with?

[Byron]

:arry:

[Raoul Duke]

Steve Bruce :cool:

[Spikey M]

Who was the last manager that came out of the England job without their career prospects being in tatters?

[John Arne]

So Big Sam said something that everybody already knows, and what we all know still happens.

Shocking stuff.

Quality journalism, too. It must be fucking awful training to be a journo and then just ended up working on sting cases like this.

[Giggles]

Who was the last manager that came out of the England job without their career prospects being in tatters?

Venables?

[Giggles]

So Big Sam said something that everybody already knows, and what we all know still happens.

Shocking stuff.

Quality journalism, too. It must be fucking awful training to be a journo and then just ended up working on sting cases like this.

I'd say it's more the fee discussed for being an advisor rather than just 'saying something'.

[John Arne]

I'd say it's more the fee discussed for being an advisor rather than just 'saying something'.

The video I watched cuts in a Sam is talking about a hypothetical fee (talking past tense - also not sure why the video starts at that point) - but I didn't hear anything about Sam charging or proposing a charge to give advice. Is their another video doing the rounds?

[Max Power]

The video I watched cuts in a Sam is talking about a hypothetical fee (talking past tense - also not sure why the video stats at that point) - but I didn't hear anything about Sam charging or proposing a charge to give advice. Is their another video doing the rounds?

He literally tells them how to circumvent and ignore the FA's (his actual employers) own "ridiculous" rules.

[Jimmy Floyd]

More than anything, what it shows is that Big Sam is thick as shit.

[Max Power]

He's right about Wembley though

[John Arne]

Ok, I've just seen the whole video (for some reason, The Guardian only posted a second 30 version). Yes, it's clearly dodgy. However, it would be interesting to see the full unedited clip. We see Sam agreeing to go to HK/SGP for hundred grand a visit- but it doesn't really say what for - just for "a keynote speech", and some "meeting". I'm pretty sure manager's and CEO's are constantly topping up their coffers with side gigs like this.

I'm not saying he is completely innocent, I just doubt that it's that big of a story, all told. Though outlining the process with regarding the taking 10% of the players economic rights from the contract, rather than a fee is pretty damning.

What I find most astonishing is that Big Sam or his agent didn't do their research on these representatives before actually meeting them.

[Max Power]

Oh yeah I don't think it's quite the huge expose the Telegraph think it is but it's embarrassing enough for the FA to bin him.

[John Arne]

http://www.themag.co.uk/assets/Alan_Pardew_Newcastle_United_NUFC_600_24.jpg

[Jimmy Floyd]

Oh yeah I don't think it's quite the huge expose the Telegraph think it is but it's embarrassing enough for the FA to bin him.

If they're starting a series of splashes on various football figures being dodgy, which it looks like they are, makes sense to start with the biggest name.

[Max Power]

Yeah I suppose. I just can't get fully behind these stings when there's not a FAKE SHIEKH involved tbh

[Jimmy Floyd]

I predict they'll have an Amir-style 'Can you miss a penalty for £200k?' style effort in the series.

[Spammer]

http://static.dnaindia.com/sites/default/files/2014/12/31/297385-tony-pulis-getty.png

OR EVEN:

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/09/28/1411936993684_wps_4_LONDON_ENGLAND_SEPTEMBER_.jpg

:drool:

[elth]

https://m.facebook.com/OliverKayTimes/posts/1238983192820289

A "Pull your head in you drongo" from the FA probably suffices as a first and only warning.

[phonics]

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[SvN]

Still clearly reeling from being shown up a few years ago.

[Magic]

Still clearly reeling from being shown up a few years ago.

Lol thought this. Sam still owned him.

[Clunge]

It was a 10-month Telegraph investigation. I doubt they've used even 5% of their ammunition yet. This was just the headline grabber.

/journo itk.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Every manager / agent / chairman in the land is probably quaking in their boots waiting for a grainy photo of themselves in Telegraph Sport tomorrow. I imagine there are very few people in football who aren't corrupt. That number drops firmly to zero in some countries.

[Reg]

Why do you imagine that?

[phonics]

Apparently they approached 10 managers with several of them leaving the room almost immediately thinking it was a sting.

[Magic]

:D

If that's true then bigger lols to be had.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Why do you imagine that?

Because there's silly amounts of money sloshing around and almost no effective governance whatsoever. The sort of environment that attracts crooks like an unguarded platter of sausages in the middle of the floor attracts my dog.

[Disco]

The number of cheats/crooks, call them what you will, that you find in any sport is directly proportional to how hard you look and the more money there is the more there will be.

[Lofty]

Nigel Pearson suspended so that's clearly another one.

[Lewis]

Nigel Pearson clearing his name. You could make money streaming that press conference.

[Lewis]

This person (https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/sep/27/sam-allardyce-sack-mocking-roy-hodgson-speech) thinks that his real crime is referring to his predecessor as 'Woy', which is apparently as bad as racism.

[niko_cee]

Nwaf

[Yevrah]

I imagine he'll be sacked, the massive fucking twat.

[GS]

The Mirror have him offering his resignation and he'll be gone by the end of the day.

Lol. Just lol.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Another five year contract for Hodgson, please.

[Spoonsky]

He's right about Wembley though

And about Hodgson.

You can't really have any sympathy for him, but at the same time it's a shame because he seemed like the man for the job.

[Pleb]

He's sacked :D

[Giggles]

Well that was all a massive pile of lol.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Sunderland must be loving their end of the deal.

[Magic]

:D

Fucking love it. Hang on let me bump my thread.

Actually this is bad news. But bigger lol when they appoint Redknapp/Pardew/Southgate/Pulis/someone equally as shit.

[Magic]

Nigel Pearson sacked tonight too. :sherlock: