Someone has shot an MP in Yorkshire

[phonics]

MP Jo Cox injured following reports of shooting and stabbing in Birstall, West Yorkshire

All the Beeb has at this point.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-36550304?ns_mchannel=social&ns_campaign=bbc_breaking&ns_source=twitter&ns_linkname=news_central

[Lewis]

There is a big conservative Christian community around that way.

[phonics]

52 year old man arrested.

[elth]

Shot three times and stabbed coming out of a library by a guy shouting "Britain First".

Deport the British from Britain.

[phonics]

There is a big conservative Christian community around that way.


I know exactly what you're trying to imply there so I'm going to have to let you down, he was a white nationalist.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ClE-L_ZWYAARO_O.jpg

[Lewis]

I'm gutted. Bald supremacist.

[phonics]

Seems that he's 3d printed himself a gun as well :cab:

[Pepe]

Awesome. :D

Bringing manufacturing back.

[Disco]

It really is time the police were issued with 3D printers of their own.

[Bartholomert]

Ban knives.

[Magic]

We're at Turkey's level now. :drool:

[Lee]

She has died.

[niko_cee]

Shocking stuff.

Cameron probably put this nutter up to it.

I suppose if everyone had had guns she'd only be a vegetable like that Arizona woman (is she alright now)?

[Lewis]

Fiver says by-election will be uncontested.

[Bartholomert]

Man if only Britain had gun ownership regulation than this could have been avoided.

[Lofty]

His gun was that shit some member of the public managed to grapple with him before his homemade gun was discharged. Everyone else scarpered by all accounts, should've just walked up behind the grappling pair and punched the gun man square in the back of the bonce, problem solved.

[niko_cee]

Man if only Britain had gun ownership regulation than this could have been avoided.

How many people were shot and or/killed by a gun today in the US of A? You can answer statistically if you want.

[Lofty]

Also lol at Mert bringing the gun control argument when people routinely walk up to police officers who are armed and enjoying their breakfast then shoot them in the face in the US.

[Bartholomert]

When's the last time a sitting Senator was assassinated in the United States? Shocking third world stuff from Britain, let's not pretend otherwise.

[Bartholomert]

His gun was that shit some member of the public managed to grapple with him before his homemade gun was discharged. Everyone else scarpered by all accounts, should've just walked up behind the grappling pair and punched the gun man square in the back of the bonce, problem solved.

No idea what you said here.

[Shindig]

When's the last time a sitting Senator was assassinated in the United States? Shocking third world stuff from Britain, let's not pretend otherwise.

Oh, you said assassinated. Discounting attempts. And you said Senator. Otherwise I would've said, "Yo, Gabrielle Giffords in 2011, son."

[niko_cee]

In fairness, there haven't been that many attempts.

[Boydy]

Ugh, I thought people were actually ignoring him for once.

[niko_cee]

I suppose one thing to take out of this is that when a British nutter goes to kill an elected official, perhaps the elected official dies. When an American does it, a host of innocent bystanders and children end up dead. Maybe the second amendment should have some sort of target practice requirement.

[Bartholomert]

I suppose one thing to take out of this is that when a British nutter goes to kill an elected official, perhaps the elected official dies. When an American does it, a host of innocent bystanders and children end up dead. Maybe the second amendment should have some sort of target practice requirement.

Example? Seems like desperate conjecture to emotionally cope with disruption of misplaced superiority complex.

[Pepe]

Ugh, I thought people were actually ignoring him for once.

We never learn.

[Lewis]

I had never heard of her until today, but apparently she was the best MP ever. I expect people just sighed and cracked on when Ian Gow got blown up.

[Magic]

I love how her husband has got race and religion in his apparently pre-written statement even though it appears the bloke was mentally ill and randomly attacked her.

Typical Labour.

[Shindig]

You can't really give an honest eulogy unless you're Lance Storm.

[niko_cee]

Example? Seems like desperate conjecture to emotionally cope with disruption of misplaced superiority complex.

Seriously?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jared_Lee_Loughner

[Bartholomert]

Seriously?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jared_Lee_Loughner

One example does not a valid pattern make.

[GS]

You're becoming intolerable.

[Disco]

Seriously?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jared_Lee_Loughner

There's an interesting bit at the end...



Loughner must pay a restitution of $19 million, $1 million for each of the victims.


What's the point in that when he's been sentenced to several hundred years in prison, just in case he somehow becomes a multi-millionaire while he's in there?

[niko_cee]

One example does not a valid pattern make.

Well, it'll probably have to do as the sample size on either side is fairly small.

[Spikey M]

Nobody tell Mer....

Fuck.

[bruhnaldo]

Oh look it's Mert doing the Mert thing.

[Byron]

Just. Ignore. Him.

[Bartholomert]

Is it just me or are my posts getting deleted?

[Spikey M]

If they are they're doing a shit job as there's far too many of them.

[bruhnaldo]

Mods please delete Mert from the internet.

[Magic]

Fuck sake Mert. Give me a few minutes and I'll analyse your points then prepare a structured response.

[Baz]

It really is time the police were issued with 3D printers of their own.:D

[ItalAussie]

Mert, keep your gun-nut stuff in one thread. No more posting in this one for you.

[phonics]

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If we can ignore the Murdoch bashing, this is a real issue.

[Lewis]

Fiver says by-election will be uncontested.

The Conservatives have stepped aside, so presumably the others will have to do likewise. So much for democratic values winning out.

[phonics]

There’s talk of parliament being recalled to have tributes to Jo Cox next Monday. When the Brighton bomb went off on October 12 1984, parliament was not recalled, even though it was an assassination attempt on the prime minister and an MP was killed. When parliament resumed on 22 October, ten days later, there was a statement on the bombing by the home secretary (Leon Brittan) which lasted for only 20 minutes.


Ian Gow, who was the last MP to be killed, died on 30 July 1990. Parliament had gone down four days previously. Parliament was not recalled. Parliament next sat on 6 September (recall to discuss the Gulf war). Gow’s death was announced by the Speaker. There were no speeches of any kind.


Grant Shapps has proposed that the main parties give Labour a free run in the byelection and the Conservatives have said they will not put up a candidate. This didn’t happen in the byelections of 1984 and 1990 caused by the deaths above. There was some talk about it in the Enfield Southgate byelection of 1984, but a normal context went ahead and Michael Portillo won. Indeed the Liberal Democrats won the Eastboruner byelection after Ian Gow’s death.

Times have changed in all sorts of ways.

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Interesting

[Lewis]

The IRA would beat us in about a month these days.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Thanks, Tony.

[Kikó]

Blame Diana.

[John]

Other parties not putting up a candidate is an absolute shambles, and the suggestion should be laughed out of the room.

[Lee]

Yeah it's a shit idea.

[phonics]

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Some people are just so, so thick.

[Bartholomert]

Is that really any different from the "Islamaphobia / Colonialism is responsible for terrorist attacks" reasoning trotted out by the Left?

[phonics]

Who says Islamophobia is responsible for terrorist attacks :cab:

[Bartholomert]

Who says Islamophobia is responsible for terrorist attacks :cab:

Liberals:

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/terror-in-molenbeek-schaerbeek-brussels-belgium-islamophobia/?

[phonics]

I've jsut read all your other posts upon arrival. I'm done interacting with you.

[Bartholomert]

I've jsut read all your other posts upon arrival. I'm done interacting with you.

Eh?

[Lewis]

It is a bit rich for the left to moan about the 'mood' and the 'climate' having spent most of their political lives calling their opponents 'scum' and questioning their morals and motivations.

[Jimmy Floyd]

The hypocrisy is actually really annoying me, and I don't even care about the referendum aspect that much.

[Lewis]

It might be worth e-mailing the Guardian to ask whether they intend to stop selling those 'lower than vermin' t-shirts.

[GS]

The hypocrisy is actually really annoying me, and I don't even care about the referendum aspect that much.

It's aggrieving me too. You can't have it both ways.

I care about the referendum aspect to the extent I don't want something like this - wholly separate from the campaign and the issues given he was a fucking lunatic - to detract from the merits of voting either way.

[GS]

It might be worth e-mailing the Guardian to ask whether they intend to stop selling those 'lower than vermin' t-shirts.

Polly Toynbee already has Kristallnacht just round the corner, so I imagine they're already printing a new range.

[Bartholomert]

It is a bit rich for the left to moan about the 'mood' and the 'climate' having spent most of their political lives calling their opponents 'scum' and questioning their morals and motivations.

I don't think they care about principles or consistency, they just adopt whatever argument suits them to further their aims in a given moment. Srs.

[Shindig]

Thomas Mair, charged with MP Jo Cox's murder, gives his name as "Death to traitors, freedom for Britain" to UK court

How about we just stick with Thomas?

[Jimmy Floyd]

What treachery did she partake in? Wanting to take in refugees?

[elth]

Wanted to stay in the EU, natch.

You can't ignore the mentally ill aspect of a murder like this, but equally you can't ignore the effect of a toxic political climate on some kinds of people who suffer from some kinds of mental illness. Maybe he would have murdered her for another reason if there was less charged rhetoric, who knows. But maybe not.

[Shindig]

If you're that mentally ill, you'll find God, politics or both. Anything to belong or for someone to say, "You're not daft. I agree."

[GS]

Wanted to stay in the EU, natch.

You can't ignore the mentally ill aspect of a murder like this, but equally you can't ignore the effect of a toxic political climate on some kinds of people who suffer from some kinds of mental illness. Maybe he would have murdered her for another reason if there was less charged rhetoric, who knows. But maybe not.

I don't buy this.

Your analysis would suggest that you / society can't say anything inflammatory, ever, on the off-chance that some nutter decides to take 'action'.

The individual themselves bears sole responsibility for their own actions.

[elth]

The individual themselves bears sole responsibility for their own actions.

There is no society.

[phonics]

The individual themselves bears sole responsibility for their own actions.

Second/Third Degree Murder?

[Magic]

Lol @ that pensioner who got involved being touted for a George Cross.

[Disco]

I'd rather he got something than most of the civil service wankers who get onto the honours list for turning up for long enough.

[Magic]

Imagine if it turned out he was the guy's accomplice and everyone has just misread the situation. They'll get a surprise when he reveals his swastika tattoo in front of the Queen.

[Lewis]

What is going on here (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-36582770)? Why would you need to steal one? Anyway, I expect people will tone down their anti-Trump rhetoric now. They nearly got a man (with kids and everything) killed with this life-or-death, I'm moving to Canada, Trump is Hitler nastiness.

[Shindig]

"Lol, I'm a Brit on a gap year. It'd be nice for it to mean somethin.... Hi, officer."

[Disco]

What is going on here (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-36582770)? Why would you need to steal one? Anyway, I expect people will tone down their anti-Trump rhetoric now. They nearly got a man (with kids and everything) killed with this life-or-death, I'm moving to Canada, Trump is Hitler nastiness.

There would have been a shit ton of metal detectors and security (which is silly when they could just give everyone guns, I think we can all agree it's safer when eveyone has them), nicking one off a donut-bin inside must have seemed easier.

[Bartholomert]

What is going on here (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-36582770)? Why would you need to steal one? Anyway, I expect people will tone down their anti-Trump rhetoric now. They nearly got a man (with kids and everything) killed with this life-or-death, I'm moving to Canada, Trump is Hitler nastiness.

inb4 muted indifference from the press because unprincipled spineless ideologues

Could you imagine the OUTRAGE if it was a Trump supporter at a Hillary rally?

[Magic]

What is going on here (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-36582770)? Why would you need to steal one? Anyway, I expect people will tone down their anti-Trump rhetoric now. They nearly got a man (with kids and everything) killed with this life-or-death, I'm moving to Canada, Trump is Hitler nastiness.

That is such a Boyd thing to do. It's probably his cousin, actually.

[Disco]

Is he a Clinton supporter? I've not seen that reported.

[Bartholomert]

Is he a Clinton supporter? I've not seen that reported.

Of course you haven't because who do you think the media wants to win the election? Wake up.

[Disco]

You plum.

[Magic]

CLINTON GUNMAN.

dots

[Bartholomert]

You plum.

In all seriousness, are you really going to pretend the reaction would not have been radically different in tone had it been Hillary who was the target?

[Magic]

It probably would have been because she's not a complete cunt. Like if someone tried to kill you vs trying to kill Spoon.

[John]

She is a complete cunt, she's just not as overt about it as Trump.

[Bartholomert]

It probably would have been because she's not a complete cunt. Like if someone tried to kill you vs trying to kill Spoon.

"Complete cunt" is a subjective description; and yes I agree, the media's subjective opinion (in violation of basic standards of journalistic integrity) of the candidates would have framed the subsequent coverage.

[Magic]

She is a complete cunt, she's just not as overt about it as Trump.

She's just a cunt, hence my addition of the word 'complete'.

[John]

She's every bit as big a cunt as Trump, she's just sneakier and better at hiding it. Trump is too thick to be properly duplicitous so his cuntery is in the open.

[Disco]

In all seriousness, are you really going to pretend the reaction would not have been radically different in tone had it been Hillary who was the target?

Back at work now so this will he short.

Not massively different on the whole, if you only read certain sources then of course it will be reported differently.

[Bartholomert]

Back at work now so this will he short.

Not massively different on the whole, if you only read certain sources then of course it will be reported differently.

You don't find it worrying when all the 'mainstream reputable' masquerading as objective news sources (and accepted as such by much of the country) all have the same take on the incident?

[Disco]

I immediately get my tinfoil hat and rush into the basement to hide from the helicopters.

[Yevrah]

I know it's unpalatable to even raise this sort of thing, but is anyone else struck by the thought that these organised events with her husband as guest speaker are, well, a bit odd?

[Dquincy]

A tad. But maybe it's helping his grieving process to be part of these events which show the support she has/had.

[Yevrah]

He's lost just his wife and the mother of his two young kids, the poor bastard, so I'd excuse him doing (almost) anything that made him feel better. No, it's more the crowds that are turning out I struggle to get. There are shitloads of them.

[Lewis]

I don't know. I'm normally all too happy to lol at the grief junkies, but between her charity work and her year in parliament you're probably looking at the most significant political figure since Napoleon, so you would expect the events to reflect the magnitude of our loss.

[Shindig]

Apparently on the riverbank there's some graffiti saying, "Jo Cox deserved it. Durham next."

[Jimmy Floyd]

I know it's unpalatable to even raise this sort of thing, but is anyone else struck by the thought that these organised events with her husband as guest speaker are, well, a bit odd?

Her husband is using her death to make political points which, whilst his prerogative, is strange behaviour.

[Magic]

He seems like a complete oppertunistic, white apologist cunt.

[elth]

I suspect her husband is subconsciously desperate to have her death "mean something" rather than just be an inconsolable personal loss.