Vegetarianism / Veganism

[Reg]

So with Manc outing himself as a pigeon killer, and the outrage of some posters that followed, I wondered: is such outrage valid from people who happily chuck down chicken breasts and steaks? Is it the method of killing that disturbs us, or the death of an animal?

Why do we find eating pigs fine and dandy, but turn our noses up at eating horses?

Have you ever thought about vegetarianism / tried it?

For any veggy people, what makes you refrain from eating meat?

[GS]

Killing animals for food is necessary. Killing animals because they're annoying you isn't.

[Giggles]

I like horse meat.

[Reg]

Killing animals for food is necessary. Killing animals because they're annoying you isn't.
It isn't necessary, is it? You could survive without meat and animal products.

[Lewis]

I could probably survive without meat, and do so reasonably healthily (rather than just living on pizza and toast), but 'animal products' are clearly a necessity.

[Ian]

turn our noses up at eating horses?

People are hypocrites. I'd happily try horse. Y'know, if I haven't already without knowing it.

[Giggles]

It isn't necessary, is it? You could survive without meat and animal products.

You could, but

http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/524cd4d9c13f5d4ebdbbc2d3383cdc51cc51bb36/c=154-0-1845-1268&r=x408&c=540x405/local/-/media/2015/05/11/Phoenix/B9317257175Z.1_20150511215851_000_GLRANCU5D.1-0.jpg

[Reg]

Well it depends what you mean by necessity, but in terms of surviving, they're clearly not.

[GS]

It isn't necessary, is it? You could survive without meat and animal products.

I'm sure you could, but it contributes to a balanced diet and killing them leads to other things - like material for clothing etc.

[Boydy]

You could, but

http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/524cd4d9c13f5d4ebdbbc2d3383cdc51cc51bb36/c=154-0-1845-1268&r=x408&c=540x405/local/-/media/2015/05/11/Phoenix/B9317257175Z.1_20150511215851_000_GLRANCU5D.1-0.jpg

What are those muffin things around the side of the plate?

[GS]

People are hypocrites. I'd happily try horse. Y'know, if I haven't already without knowing it.

People ate it for years without knowing the difference, so clearly it's fine.

[Reg]

I'm not lecturing by the way. I've eaten a lifetime's share of chickens and I'm in my twenties.

I did find it interesting to learn that David Haye is a vegan.

[Magic]

Yes I could see how you could come to the conclusion we're all hypocrites.

[Lewis]

Well it depends what you mean by necessity, but in terms of surviving, they're clearly not.

Whoever tries taking milk off me wouldn't survive.

[Giggles]

What are those muffin things around the side of the plate?

I always got corn bread with food like that so I presume it's that just baked in a bun case. They don't look enough like a scone to be a biscuit.

[Reg]

What are those muffin things around the side of the plate?
Muffins.

[Pepe]

And Juan Manuel Marquez drinks his own pee.

[Magic]

Whoever tries taking milk off me wouldn't survive.

Mother's milk?

[Boydy]

Muffins.

Like the sort we get here with chocolate chips or blueberries in them? Without those additions, presumably?

[Boydy]

Mother's milk?

:D

[Magic]

Like the sort we get here with chocolate chips or blueberries in them? Without those additions, presumably?

What? They look like normal muffins you freak.

[Spoonsky]

My dad's a vegetarian so we're mostly vegetarian in the house. There do seem to be some environmental benefits (hey there, Merse). Being vegan would be terrible though.

[Reg]

Like the sort we get here with chocolate chips or blueberries in them? Without those additions, presumably?
Yeah, just plain muffins. I never liked blueberry ones.

[Serj]

I'm a vegetarian. I had already thought for a while that being less involved in killing things would be nice, but I was convinced it wouldn't be possible for me (missing the taste of meat, health issues), so when I started I wanted it to be just a week-long experiment. Now it's been nine years or so, and I can't really remember any difficulties. Veganism would be a bit too much for me, though, in terms of effort.

[Boydy]

What? They look like normal muffins you freak.

What?

Muffins here always have stuff in them. They're sweet. Not the sort of thing you stick on the side of some kind of barbecue platter.

[Pepe]

My dad's a vegetarian so we're mostly vegetarian in the house.

:harold:


There do seem to be some environmental benefits

There are.

[Magic]

What?

Muffins here always have stuff in them. They're sweet. Not the sort of thing you stick on the side of some kind of barbecue platter.

Americans do weird shit like that. Have you really never seen a plain muffin before?

[Boydy]

I don't think so.

[Magic]

I don't think so.

:harold:

Never had a Travel Lodge breakfast in a bag?

:cry:

[Pen]

I was thinking along the same lines as Reg when I posted in the other thread. Killing animals is by no means necessary as a means of survival or even close to being as humane as throwing away a pigeons nest (not that it's humane). I think that the environmental effects of consuming meat (especially) will see a dramatic rise in vegetarianism/vegan diet during my lifetime even though I do think it would be really hard for me to quit eating meat all together. I did go through a phase of trying to abstain from eating meat during the week and it wasn't that hard unless the vegetarian option at work was shit.

[Reg]

My dad's a vegetarian so we're mostly vegetarian in the house. There do seem to be some environmental benefits (hey there, Merse). Being vegan would be terrible though.
Apparently giving up meat is the best thing you can do for the environment.

[Pepe]

I wouldn't go that far, but reducing meat consumption does have many environmental advantages.

[Kikó]

Fuck being a vegan. I'm reducing my intake of red meat so that's all you're getting from me.

[Giggles]

Fuck being a vegan. I'm reducing my intake of red meat so that's all you're getting from me.

Since the local butcher started selling hogget/mutton and stewing beef so cheap I'm making up your shortfall anyway.

[Pepe]

Fuck being a vegan. I'm reducing my intake of red meat so that's all you're getting from me.

That's all one can ask for really.

[Dan]

My housemate is vegan, and since we eat together quite regularly I've been eating a lot less meat than I used to. We've made vegan pies, curries, burritos and other stuff and the lack of meat hasn't been a problem at all for me. Tofu & quorn (which is actually often not vegan, I've learnt) are both perfectly fine, and stuff like mushrooms or potatoes also work as an alternative. To be fair, I do still have the freedom to have bacon sandwiches & whatever else I feel like if I do get a particular craving for non-vegan meals, and I still have my own milk, cheese etc, so I guess it's not really very vegan at all on my end :D

I could probably switch to a predominantly vegan diet, although I'm don't fancy the hassle of having to check through everything to make sure it's not got animal products in. I could cope with going vegan on things like butter, milk & cheese, but I think completely taking away meat would be too difficult.

[Bernanke]

I've started with a personal "policy" of always looking at the vegetarian options first when eating at a restaurant for example, but fuck going all out.

[Pepe]

Main question would be: What's the fucking point?

I'm sure I could 'go vegan' but I see no reason to. I think some people are just looking for a 'purpose' or something.

[Dan]

I should also point out that I've lost six kilos in the three months I've lived with a vegan, and I've pretty much changed nothing else beyond having to walk 10mins to & from work each day.

Definitely appears to be a benefit in that regard.

[Manc]

Qourn is the stuff of nightmares.

[Reg]

Main question would be: What's the fucking point?

I'm sure I could 'go vegan' but I see no reason to. I think some people are just looking for a 'purpose' or something.
You'd probably get a better answer from an actual vegetarian but... I'm assuming you wouldn't want a friendly chimpanzee or your pet dog/cat eaten, so as far as I can see vegetarianism is a natural (for some) extension of that empathy/affection for animals.

[Giggles]

Qourn is the stuff of nightmares.

I quite like the 'meat'balls. They're so handy for quick food.

[Lewis]

Aren't chimpanzees more likely to (literally) rip your face off than befriend you?

[Reg]

Literally ripping a face off would be some feat.

[Spoonsky]

Main question would be: What's the fucking point?

I'm sure I could 'go vegan' but I see no reason to. I think some people are just looking for a 'purpose' or something.

There's an argument that it's morally wrong to be enslaving animals en masse and exploiting them for our own purposes. It's not an argument I buy, but I can understand it. If an alien race enslaves us and starts making wallets out of human flesh we won't have as much to complain about.

I agree that a lot of people do weird shit to give meaning to their lives though, including being vegan.

[Lewis]

Literally ripping a face off would be some feat.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Travis_(chimpanzee)

They're unbelievably strong, and can be right bastards once they stop being small and kick-to-deathable.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I'd never give up meat or animal products. I'd also have no problems eating horse or any other type f meat bar dog and cat I'd imagine. I've also shot various birds myself with my Dad for food.

[Mazuuurk]

If I got to choose between never eating meat again and never eating other animal products again (egg, milk, etc), I'd probably give up meat. For sure if I could still eat fish. I do eat less meat than I used to (still several times a week at least), but way less than before.

But, veganism just seems plain boring. No cheese ever? No. Nuh-huh.

[Pepe]

You'd probably get a better answer from an actual vegetarian but... I'm assuming you wouldn't want a friendly chimpanzee or your pet dog/cat eaten, so as far as I can see vegetarianism is a natural (for some) extension of that empathy/affection for animals.


There's an argument that it's morally wrong to be enslaving animals en masse and exploiting them for our own purposes. It's not an argument I buy, but I can understand it. If an alien race enslaves us and starts making wallets out of human flesh we won't have as much to complain about.

I agree that a lot of people do weird shit to give meaning to their lives though, including being vegan.

Heard those arguments, not sure I buy them. If we were to stop eating cows we would just mass murder them. All that land they fart around would be needed to grow food. Same as bullfighting, really. It is either breeding them only to be killed as part of a show or mass extinction. Not sure which one is better.

[Pepe]

I also do think that we understand the distinction between 'animal' and 'pet' so the 'oh well how would you feel if someone ate your dog' argument doesn't really hold.

I wonder how vegetarians feel about murdering bacteria.

[Lewis]

Heard those arguments, not sure I buy them. If we were to stop eating cows we would just mass murder them. All that land they fart around would be needed to grow food. Same as bullfighting, really. It is either breeding them only to be killed as part of a show or mass extinction. Not sure which one is better.

I had never thought of it like that. It dons that argument completely shitless. Go on a speaking tour.

[Mazuuurk]

Well, I mean, we'd still want them for Milk and Cream and Cheese I suppose.

But I guess we wouldn't need nearly as many as we do today.

[Pepe]

I had never thought of it like that. It dons that argument completely shitless. Go on a speaking tour.

Maybe I should. Imagine all those vegetarian tears. :drool:

[Shindig]

Some militant veggies would object to us milking cows and plucking feathers because of animal rights. To give out about meat but not about natural predators is a hypocrisy.

[John]

I tried a Quorn stew out of curiosity and it was horrible. It has the consistency of an Impega rubber and took two of those beef stock pot things to be even vaguely palatable. I wasn't considering going veggie before, a lifetime of seeing some of the nonsense my veggie Aunt eats has made sure of that, but one mouthful of Quorn reconfirmed it.

For those of you looking to up your intake of animals not generally eaten, I spotted some ostrich steaks in Tesco earlier. Review to come.

[John]

Some militant veggies would object to us milking cows and plucking feathers because of animal rights. To give out about meat but not about natural predators is a hypocrisy.

If we stopped milking cows altogether they'd all eventually just start bursting. These imaginary militant veggies need to get their acts together.

[Pepe]

I don't get the point of meat-like vegetarian or vegan meals. If you don't want to eat meat just embrace it. Plenty of tasty vegetarian meals to be had. Soy burgers and the like are just lol, if you want a burger so bad just eat the real thing.

[Raoul Duke]

There's a vegan cafe near me and the food is pretty good. Their pancakes are atrocious though. Like eating a newspaper.

I try to stick to veggie stuff in the week, although I'm not that fussed if I need to. I also try and swap out meat for fish occasionally. If I'm eating meat twice a day, 5 times a week it just feels a bit blergh. I like vegetables/cheese etc., so can easily find something limited to that selection.

[Spammer]

They're looking at growing meat in a petri dish. They can currently do it but it tastes like shite. Once they get it cheap and tasting good we'll have nothing to worry about.

As for me, I chuck tofu in things instead of mince sometimes, but I could never make a rule of it. I love a good full English and meat feast pizzas too much.

[John]

Doesn't that 'murderless meat' or whatever the twats who champion it no doubt call it cost a couple of hundred thousand times as much to manufacture as a normal bit of beef?

This has reminded me of something I haven't thought about in about fifteen years. Does anyone remember that wanker 'Maddox (http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=sponsor)'?

[Raoul Duke]

This has reminded me of something I haven't thought about in about fifteen years. Does anyone remember that wanker 'Maddox (http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=sponsor)'?

Yeah. There were some pretty decent things on there (of its time, definitely).

He's probably a corporate lawyer for an insurance firm now or something equally conventional.

[Lewis]

He was about fifteen years before his time, like the John Wycliffe of the current internet-driven dickhead culture of BuzzFeed and 'Milo'.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Well, I mean, we'd still want them for Milk and Cream and Cheese I suppose.

But I guess we wouldn't need nearly as many as we do today.

We'd only need dairy cows, the rest would be culled.

[Pepe]

Oh yes, Maddox. He was alright. Today he would probably be just some 4chan troll.

[Ian]

We should be going out of our way to eat the more useless species as well to make more room in the ecosystem for good ones.

How many McPanda burgers could McDonald's get out of the remaining population?

[niko_cee]

I could probably survive without meat, and do so reasonably healthily (rather than just living on pizza and toast), but 'animal products' are clearly a necessity.

I once came across a chap who had recently decided to become a veggie for ethical reasons (in his 60s) and literally all he would eat was pizza, chips and deep fried items such as mushrooms. You have to wonder about some people.

This was a few years ago so that diet has probably killed him by now, dramatically reducing his carbon footprint etc.

[Kikó]

I think maddox has his own comics now. Still does okay when i last glanced.

[Davgooner]

Best decision I ever made. The unexpected part of it has been enjoying seeing other people seethe for no apparent reason. Barbecue at my parents tomorrow afternoon so we'll be in for another quality bit there.

[Boydy]

Best decision I ever made. The unexpected part of it has been enjoying seeing other people seethe for no apparent reason. Barbecue at my parents tomorrow afternoon so we'll be in for another quality bit there.
What? You love KFC.

[Davgooner]

Used to.

[Shindig]

I think maddox has his own comics now. Still does okay when i last glanced.

He's somewhere on youtube doing some list wank.

[John]

Lol at that. Dav used to go off on 'yuppies' about three times a day as well.

[Davgooner]

As if I'd go vegan. I'm currently campaigning for Tesco to reintroduce those horse meat burgers.

[phonics]

Anti-Vegetarianism/Veganism is now more annoying than the people actually participating.

You like bacon, we get it.

[phonics]

I once came across a chap who had recently decided to become a veggie for ethical reasons (in his 60s) and literally all he would eat was pizza, chips and deep fried items such as mushrooms. You have to wonder about some people.

This was a few years ago so that diet has probably killed him by now, dramatically reducing his carbon footprint etc.

My Aunt (vegetarian) had a friend like this, she only ate cheese and tomato toasties for a month and a half and got rushed to hospital as she was so lacking in vital vitamins.

[igor_balis]

I quite like dipping in and out of Maddox's stuff, but I couldn't eat a whole one. He'd make a good wrestling heel.

Agree with Pepe re: shit meat imitators. My mum is a vegetarian and I was until I was about 12, so I find it easy enough to make good vegetarian meals day to day, and will still allow myself greasy beef burgers when I fancy one. Versus my fairly spazzy mate who was brought up on badly cooked meat and two veg, decided at university she was a vegan, then seemingly ate quorn bolognese every fucking day.

[igor_balis]

Also, if anything would convince me to return to vegetarianism it would be the internet phenomenon of BACON WHIMSY. Bacon isn't automatically a hilarious punchline you cunts. Tends to be used by wankers who think removing prepositions is really funny as well - 'because bacon', 'because reasons', 'all the win'. Go fuck yourself.

[Davgooner]

thorse horse

:drool:

[Boydy]

Also, if anything would convince me to return to vegetarianism it would be the internet phenomenon of BACON WHIMSY. Bacon isn't automatically a hilarious punchline you cunts. Tends to be used by wankers who think removing prepositions is really funny as well - 'because bacon', 'because reasons', 'all the win'. Go fuck yourself.

:D

[Spammer]

I'm genuinely worried that John has clinical depression. Chat to someone mate.

[John]

I've mentioned before that I've been diagnosed with depression in the past. Duloxetine and Citalopram are both shite, and the former did nothing but give me a weird jaw ache and yawn that I'd only ever had on MDMA before.

Care to explain what's given you that impression in this thread though?

[randomlegend]

I don't get the point of meat-like vegetarian or vegan meals. If you don't want to eat meat just embrace it. Plenty of tasty vegetarian meals to be had. Soy burgers and the like are just lol, if you want a burger so bad just eat the real thing.

My girlfriend is a vegetable and she eats quorn and the like, but it's mainly because if everyone else is having burgers or something it's easier for her to just have a quorn one than to do something completely different.

To be honest I think she'd rather not be any more, but can't get over the initial hump of starting to eat meat again after so many years.

[John]

My girlfriend is a vegetable

:D

[Pen]

My girlfriend is a vegetable
They say all you need is love, but I struggle to see how this works.

[randomlegend]

That is and will always be how her vegetarianism is referred to.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Parents forcing their children to be veggies because they are is what doesn't sit right with me. No doubt they would argue, pale of face and saggy of tit, that my parents 'forced' meat on me but in reality they simply gave me the wider range of options.

[igor_balis]

Magic forcing meat on his child is definitely worse.

[Disco]

Any sensible parent should be delighted when they can get their child to eat anything vaguely non-shit (we could all get them to eat chips and ice cream all day, that's no achievement), restricting yourself to vegetarian options is the preserve of sadists and lunatics.

[Spammer]

Doesn't that 'murderless meat' or whatever the twats who champion it no doubt call it cost a couple of hundred thousand times as much to manufacture as a normal bit of beef?

This has reminded me of something I haven't thought about in about fifteen years. Does anyone remember that wanker 'Maddox'?

It's within the context of you generally being a bit of a Moany McMoanerson and focusing on how shit everything is, but that stuck out.

[Disco]

You've met John before right?

[John]

It's within the context of you generally being a bit of a Moany McMoanerson and focusing on how shit everything is, but that stuck out.

So 'clinical depression' comes down to simple moaning now, does it?

What I've done there is invented a wanky term and then imagined the sort of twat who might use it, that twat being the same twat who'd appear outside an abattoir with a sign, and lol at them as a prelude to asking a genuine question. If you weren't such a slow on the uptake, hyperliteral fuckwit you'd likely notice that when I'm 'angry' or 'moaning' I'm almost always lolling at something.

It appears I was right, by the way. In vitro beef costs about a million quid for 250g. I have a 250g tub of mince in the fridge that cost three quid.

[Spammer]

I just figured it'd be best to say something. At least it has been diagnosed though.

But hey if you're laughing then laugh away, Mr Jolly.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Beef.

[Pen]

Parents forcing their children to be veggies because they are is what doesn't sit right with me. No doubt they would argue, pale of face and saggy of tit, that my parents 'forced' meat on me but in reality they simply gave me the wider range of options.

I think that's an odd stance to take. Unless you mean taking it as far as punishing them for eating it, instead of only making veggie dishes for them.

[randomlegend]

It appears I was right, by the way. In vitro beef costs about a million quid for 250g. I have a 250g tub of mince in the fridge that cost three quid.

Attacking the price is a bit of a weird angle to take, since it will obviously come down as the technology progresses. Whether that will ever be to a viable level, who knows, but presumably those putting the money into researching it believe it will.

It's like the people who said computers would never take off because they were too expensive.

[Sam]

Murder free beef? What bollocks is that? We are meat eating creatures and will continue to be so.

[John]

I wasn't attacking it. Hammer mentioned the price and I was querying just how high it is. I meant I was right with my estimate that it was a couple of hundred thousand times more expensive than normal meat.

[randomlegend]

Doesn't that 'murderless meat' or whatever the twats who champion it no doubt call it cost a couple of hundred thousand times as much to manufacture as a normal bit of beef?



No, not attacking it at all...

[Pepe]

Aren't the sort of people who get into veganism the same sort that are shit-scared of GMOs? They will be the first ones running away from meat made in a lab, who knows what CHEMICALS they put in there.

[John]

No, not attacking it at all...

I've already addressed what that was. Take out my own made up phrase and lolling at the imaginary twats who'd use it and I'm just asking a straight forward question about something someone else raised.

God help the sick when someone with your attention span is the one expected to cure them.

[Pen]

Aren't the sort of people who get into veganism the same sort that are shit-scared of GMOs? They will be the first ones running away from meat made in a lab, who knows what CHEMICALS they put in there.
From what I've gathered, pretty much everyone on this side of the Atlantic approach GMOs with caution. I think you have to have a GMO mark on the packaging if over 1% of the product contains or has been fed something genetically manipulated.

[Spammer]

I've already addressed what that was. Take out my own made up phrase and lolling at the imaginary twats who'd use it and I'm just asking a straight forward question about something someone else raised.

God help the sick when someone with your attention span is the one expected to cure them.

That bolded bit is really great.

You keep lolling at those imaginary twats, John.

[phonics]

From what I've gathered, pretty much everyone on this side of the Atlantic approach GMOs with caution. I think you have to have a GMO mark on the packaging if over 1% of the product contains or has been fed something genetically manipulated.

It's illegal to grow GMO products in EU nations. It's the dumbest law ever.

[Pen]

I thought that was common knowledge so didn't put that in. The 1% for things outside of EU was aimed at Pepe as GMOs are way more widespread and don't have to be reported in the States.

[Baz]

http://www.littlemonstersforum.co.uk/images/q/h7cx8eix.png

[Spikey M]

Meat is muder? Yeah. So are antibiotics. Enjoy the perma-syphilis.

[Reg]

Two people comparing killing animals for meat to killing bacteria :face:

[Spikey M]

109% super serious tbh.

[Giggles]

Is Reg one of those preachy ones?

[Reg]

Not preaching. Look at my previous post: many a chicken has been eaten. (And pigs, and cows...)

[Spoonsky]

Heard those arguments, not sure I buy them. If we were to stop eating cows we would just mass murder them. All that land they fart around would be needed to grow food. Same as bullfighting, really. It is either breeding them only to be killed as part of a show or mass extinction. Not sure which one is better.

We grow enough food to feed the entire world, the problem is distribution. The USA pays farmers not to grow certain crops to keep prices high.

It is a good question, though, of what would happen to all the cows. You could let the militant vegetarians take charge of them and see what happens.

[niko_cee]

We could revere them, and let them (and us) fart everything out of existence.

Of course, you might well say we'd still have milk, but I'm not sure that's any better than just murdering the poor blighters, in ethical terms.

[Disco]

Cows would go the same way as every other animal that we don't need for anything, they'd do ok as long we didn't need their homes and they didn't get in the way. Of course we're ignoring the fact that most farmed animals would not survive if we just turned them loose. Horses in particular are totally shit at being animals.

[Spikey M]

The dairy cows would all die quick time simply from not being milked. Mass Mastitis. Yaaay.

[Pepe]

We grow enough food to feed the entire world, the problem is distribution. The USA pays farmers not to grow certain crops to keep prices high.

It is a good question, though, of what would happen to all the cows. You could let the militant vegetarians take charge of them and see what happens.

Distribution would still be an issue whether we eat cows or not. But imagine a farmer. Right now he devotes a certain amount of land and resources (especially in today's high-tech farming) to growing cows. Once that is no longer lucrative, what will he do? Donate his land to the cows so they can live happily ever after? Keep putting resources into keeping them safe? The fuck will he, he'll get rid of each and every one of them and use his land to grow whatever is lucrative at the time.

[Shindig]

All food involves killing a living thing, right? Plants may or may not feel pain but you're cutting it short to harvest it. Or whatever. I dunno.

[Disco]

Being tasty and nutritious as well as relatively docile can be extremely beneficial on a species wide basis. Think how many more generations of cattle or sheep there have been since they were domesticated. Their genes have effectively outsourced foraging and protection from predators, quite clever really.

[Disco]

All food involves killing a living thing, right? Plants may or may not feel pain but you're cutting it short to harvest it. Or whatever. I dunno.

Breatharians, clearly the way forward.

[Shindig]

Nah, just don't worry about it. You're offing plants and animals but breeding them as well to extend their purpose as food. You could try natural causes farming but then you'd get into this weird supply / demand scenario where you're picking livestock on the basis of how much road they've left to run.

[Spikey M]

On top of that, Farmers would be trying to knacker them ASAP. I for one wouldn't fancy a steak that's been cut from a foot and mouth case.

[Shindig]

Or skipping on the TB vaccines because you need some space.

[ItalAussie]

I'm not even remotely close to any kind of vegetarian, but it does surprise me how worked up some people get over the existence of vegans/vegetarians. It's like they find them vaguely threatening.

[niko_cee]

Was this thread inspired by this?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0O_VYcsIk8

Some of the reaction is probably better: http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcthree/item/e1dbad43-c2ac-4dbb-9a74-dd9e6f8736ac?intc_type=singletheme&intc_location=threeonline&intc_campaign=threeonline&intc_linkname=vidclip_vegansvmeateaters_contentcar d34

The seethe on the waitress.

[phonics]

That's exactly the sort of thing I was talking about at least. It's terrible.

[Boydy]

I'm not even remotely close to any kind of vegetarian, but it does surprise me how worked up some people get over the existence of vegans/vegetarians. It's like they find them vaguely threatening.

http://www.rferl.org/content/georgia-nationalists-attack-vegan-cafe-with-sausages/27766236.html

:cab:

[Magic]

I didn't realise hating vegans was in the remit of the far right? It's like when anyone is a cunt they are immediately far right.

[Boydy]

I don't think they were being called far right because they hate vegans. I think they also happened to be far right. I'd imagine there is a correlation though. Vegans will generally be lefties too.

[Magic]

Sounds like dangerous stereotyping to me. Nazi.

[Chrissy]

A vegan campaigner died up Everest. Her partner was pretty cut up about it. All over BBC news. Sad times for the vegan nation.

I don't get it myself. Eat meat, we are fucking omnivores. Have a mixed diet.

[Magic]

I read that three times looking for a joke.

[Spikey M]

I'm pretty sure there is one and I just don't get it.

[The Merse]

I did a month of veganism in January, which was perfectly acceptable. I largely cook vegan, save for occasional use of eggs and cheese, and haven't used meat at home for nigh on 6 months or so. I'm in what's oft referred to as the flexitarian camp- eating meat but doing so sparingly. In my case it's just when having meals out.

I simply think we over consume meat, it's really quite unnecessary and I'm happy to reduce my consumption as most dishes I'd cook at home aren't improved at all for me with the addition of meat. For the same reasons, all of my fresh veg is from the local organic grocer as they source locally, reducing the carbon emissions from it's transportation.

I've no issue with GMO by the way, and argue in favour of it's use regularly.

[Magic]

Merse is such a scenester cunt.

[The Merse]

Not really. I spent 2000-2012 bemoaning any vegetarian girlfriend (there were a few, it's often tallied with my 'type'), including when with one for 3 years. I've always been around 'scenes' where it's pretty popular - the hardcore punk scene had a history of fucking fights between the straight edge elements between vegans and veggies (that was in the Washington and NY 'Crew' scenes, but nonetheless it's indicative of the culture everywhere).

I got into it when both conquering some food fears around vegetables whilst also becoming more and more aware of the issues around mass production and transportation of food, both in terms of animal cruelty and environmental issues.

What I don't 'get' is why people are so opposed to other people not eating meat or being conscious of their meat consumption. It's sodding bizarre.

[John]

You were scared of vegetables?

[Ian]

I just had a steak for dinner.

Bloody lovely, it was.

[Boydy]

You were scared of vegetables?

Probably just one of those picky eaters that doesn't (well, didn't) like vegetables. The sort who are indulged too much as children.

I fucking hate them above all other kind of food habits people have.

[The Merse]

Rather I ate everything until I was around 5 and was in hospital with digestion issues. I turned phobic of most foodstuffs when I came out and pretty much lived on quorn and rice or potato and beans for nearly another 7 years. My mother tried everything to make me overcome the fears but I'd starve myself before eating the dreaded meat or veg. I slowly started overcoming a lot of them from 12 onwards, meat first then most green veg.

Onion is still an issue. As are raw tomatoes. But with the former I do use them as the basis for soups and curries, stews etc when blended and eat around with no issues, able to deal with them sometimes when their presence isn't too noticeable.

It's ridiculous of course, but it causes me real anguish. I've tried all sorts. Including eating whole onions when about 13/14 and again aged around 22/23.

[Ian]

The only way it gets worse is when people claim they're allergic and aren't rather than having the scrap of spine required to just say they don't like it.

My sister's brother-in-law once told her he's got a serious allergy to onions. She pointed out that he's eaten in her house many times and whenever he's had her lasagnes and curries, amongst others, he's eaten plenty of onion. Funnily enough it turns out he's just a liar.

[Disco]

Probably just one of those picky eaters that doesn't (well, didn't) like vegetables. The sort who are indulged too much as children.

I fucking hate them above all other kind of food habits people have.

It's so frustrating to see this happening, my pet hate is hearing someone saying things like Oh you won't like that.

[The Merse]

The only way it gets worse is when people claim they're allergic and aren't rather than having the scrap of spine required to just say they don't like it.

My sister's brother-in-law once told her he's got a serious allergy to onions. She pointed out that he's eaten in her house many times and whenever he's had her lasagnes and curries, amongst others, he's eaten plenty of onion. Funnily enough it turns out he's just a liar.

I don't claim any allergy nor that it's anything other than ridiculous, but it's very much not by choice nor purely out of a dislike. Nor do I ever let anyone know outside of casual conversation. Where I can I avoid them and where I cannot I eat around or at worst grin and bear. It simply causes me a lot of discomfort. As I say, I use it blended voluntarily and dearly wish it didn't make me uncomfortable given how ubiquitous an ingredient it is.

[Magic]

Rather I ate everything until I was around 5 and was in hospital with digestion issues. I turned phobic of most foodstuffs when I came out and pretty much lived on quorn and rice or potato and beans for nearly another 7 years. My mother tried everything to make me overcome the fears but I'd starve myself before eating the dreaded meat or veg. I slowly started overcoming a lot of them from 12 onwards, meat first then most green veg.

Onion is still an issue. As are raw tomatoes. But with the former I do use them as the basis for soups and curries, stews etc when blended and eat around with no issues, able to deal with them sometimes when their presence isn't too noticeable.

It's ridiculous of course, but it causes me real anguish. I've tried all sorts. Including eating whole onions when about 13/14 and again aged around 22/23.

Definitely a scenester.

[Pepe]

Eating full onions. :D

[The Merse]

:blush:

I need to stop outing myself as a mental by opening up on here really.

[Pepe]

Was it raw or did you cook it? Eating a full raw onion must be up there with paedophilia.

[The Merse]

Tried both.

Raw and whole, and cooked and chopped and god knows how many times of just 'in stuff'. Never stops being unpleasant.

Yet, as I say, it's the base of my curries and soups (probably 2-4 meals a week) and I use onion powder in various other dishes.

[Pepe]

Onion powder? The fuck is that?

[randomlegend]

Take three guesses.

[Pepe]

I don't know but it probably smells like your cunt.

[Magic]

I don't know but it probably smells like your cunt.

What a tremendously unexpected vulgar post. :D

I love it.

[Boydy]

That Pepe post made me lol too. :D

[randomlegend]

Magic's endorsement is a better put down than I could ever hope to achieve.

[Pepe]

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[Boydy]

I love how I can rep both those posts now without having to spread rep around first.