[Football] Martinez sacked

[Reg]

I know it's been mentioned in the fixtures thread but we tend to like sacking threads.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/may/12/roberto-martinez-sacked-everton

Gets at least £9m in his payoff.

What do you think? Deserved? Likely candidates for a replacement?

[Pepe]

Rafa.

[Baz]

De Boer innit? I heard they'd already got him signed up.

[Waffdon]

Mourinho pls

[Lewis]

Him from Norwich, because Bill Kenwright has probably never heard of European football.

[Disco]

He has heard of the guy who's the new majority shareholder though.

[Lewis]

The Persians are a crafty bunch, so I'm assuming that he will hold back on this one and kick up a stink when it goes to shit.

[Disco]

They should get Martinez in at United, if only for the Yevrage.

[Yevrah]

£9m payoff having been absolute dogshit.

Obviously Everton's fault for employing the master of bullshit in the first place, but anyway, what a life.

[Shindig]

He took them to 5th in his first season. Admittedly, its been downhill from there but I don't think Everton can sustain that kind of success.

[Kikó]

Great to see the serial bullshitter out. What a knob.

[Lewis]

David Moyes' defence carried them through that first season.

[Pepe]

Should have taken it with him to United.

[Spoonsky]

They should take Moyes back, honestly.

[Lewis]

Would 'Rafa' dent his Liverpool legacy if he takes the job, or will he always be untouchable?

[SincereTheRebel]

He took the chelsea job no problem.

[Spoonsky]

Liverpool-Everton hardly even seems like a rivalry to me anymore. Obviously I'm saying that from Utah, but I really don't feel any ill will between the two (compared to Spurs-Chelsea or Newcastle-Sunderland etc).

[niko_cee]

:cab:

Of course it is still a rivalry. Supposedly a friendly one (doesn't seem to translate onto the pitch as it maybe does in the stands) but it is still there.

As for his 'legacy', short of going on the lash with Charles Itanje and winding up pissing on the Hillsborough Memorial I'm not sure there is much old Rafa could do to tarnish himself (in the eyes of Liverpool fans). It's not like he's a scabby little cunt (like Michael Owen) who everyone is just itching to hate anyway. He was a comedy meltdown/unknown Italian shithead away from immortality, and even without a league win his Liverpool side was one of the best around. Halycon days.

They may as well go back to Moyes though, if Benitez is the way they want to go. I guess Rafa is a continental reputation Moyes so maybe he is a minor upgrade.

[elth]

Be very interesting next season. I kinda get the feeling Everton aren't anywhere near as talented as their fans and the media think they are, and changing the manager might not achieve much.

[Giggles]

Be very interesting next season. I kinda get the feeling Everton aren't anywhere near as talented as their fans and the media think they are, and changing the manager might not achieve much.

I'd be thinking along the same lines. The likes of Barkley, Coleman, and Stones have been so highly touted for years that it's almost ignored that they aren't actually much more than decent.

[Mellberg]

£9m pay off. Nine million pounds.

What a world we live in.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Koeman would be mad to go up there. In this day and age the idea of Everton being a bigger job than Southampton only holds in the sense of the fanbase. The setup at Southampton must be superior in every other respect.

[niko_cee]

In further sacking news, Flores is leaving Watford after their last game. I'd say that's an absolute shambles of a decision, but they'll probably go and win the league next season.

Maybe he'll go to Everton. They could do worse.

[Andy]

Koeman won't leave us for Everton. I think he wants a bigger job next season. Qualify for the Europa this weekend and have a decent crack at that with another top seven finish should see interest from a big club.

Everton would be far too sideways for him.

[Yevrah]

Be very interesting next season. I kinda get the feeling Everton aren't anywhere near as talented as their fans and the media think they are, and changing the manager might not achieve much.

Better that than to admit you were wrong about Martinez I suppose.

[simon]

I was always a big Martinez fan, but he really has been found out over the last couple of seasons. Taking a solid and functional back line and butchering for no other reason than to retain the ball better is poor. Especially when they kill themselves so often by losing the ball in their own third.

It'll end up being Moyes, I reckon.

[Shindig]

Well, we're in talks to apparently retain Rafa so expect that to go poorly. Or he winds up in a Sports Direct ghetto in Dundee.

[GS]

Rafa's in his mid-fifties now, so he might decide it's worth sticking it out at one club for another five or six years and having a "project". He'll want to control everything though - including the youth system, training, recruitment - and you'd probably be best letting him. He'll actually give a fuck about the club, which is more than can be said for the board.

[Reg]

Benitez was given control over everything. That and billions of pounds probably explains the coup of getting him in the first place.

Martinez didn't do great, but then if you look at the table - who do you expect them to finish above? For me, it's only two places that they should climb. I'm sure Lukaku will be off, which might help the next manager because the fans will probably expect a bit less.

[Lewis]

Everton have only actually got three decent players (and David Moyes' consistent success spoiled them), which works in his defence; but why has he just stood and watched whilst his defence rotted and everybody else got a little bit older and shitter?

[Reg]

Because he thinks Barry and Cleverley are two of England's greatest ever players. Why would you replace such marvellous talents?

[phonics]

Everton have only actually got three decent players (and David Moyes' consistent success spoiled them), which works in his defence; but why has he just stood and watched whilst his defence rotted and everybody else got a little bit older and shitter?

This is the biggest issue that people forget. Everton have been a club who do well one year and go down the shitter the next. It happened every year Moyes did well, they had an absolute shitter the next.

[GS]

European football was probably part of that and the failure to cope with the increased workload, as 'success' usually resulted in the extra workload.

[Smiffy]

.....

[Lewis]

This is the biggest issue that people forget. Everton have been a club who do well one year and go down the shitter the next. It happened every year Moyes did well, they had an absolute shitter the next.

They did in his first few seasons, but they were a solid sixty point team for about seven years.

[niko_cee]

Was about to say the same.

And that West Ham have had one good season. If Martinez has failed in not matching them this season, he has also failed in not winning the league as, presumably, they had designs to finish above Leicester at the beginning of the season. Southampton have a billionaire owner.

Everton have been absolutely dreadful whenever I have seen them this season, mind.

[Reg]

You'd have picked them to finish above Leicester and West Ham before the season, but those two have been brilliantly managed. So I think it's only Stoke and Swansea that they "should" finish above.

[Andy]

Benitez was given control over everything. That and billions of pounds probably explains the coup of getting him in the first place.

Martinez didn't do great, but then if you look at the table - who do you expect them to finish above? For me, it's only two places that they should climb. I'm sure Lukaku will be off, which might help the next manager because the fans will probably expect a bit less.

They should be in a similar position to Southampton, we have very similar squads.

[Giggles]

Southampton weren't nearly as overrated.

[Andy]

Koeman won't leave us for Everton. I think he wants a bigger job next season. Qualify for the Europa this weekend and have a decent crack at that with another top seven finish should see interest from a big club.

Everton would be far too sideways for him.

Didn't think they'd be offering him 7m a year. Mental. He's going to be the sixth highest paid manager in the world.

For all his good points he's a very flawed manager, hopefully we can find someone who's a better fit for the club.

[Magic]

That's utter bullshit and fucking madness. Reality check needed for fuck's sake. Everton the club to be paying the 6th highest manager fee? Everton? Fucking hell.

[Max Power]

Unai Emery to Saints? Europa League in the bag

[Andy]

There are a lot of good options linked. I'm not ITK at all but we've been linked with Pellegrini, Emery, Moyes and De Boer.

Hopefully we don't lose any of our best players to Everton.

[phonics]

Means we won't be grabbing him next year :drool:

Most over-rated in the league these days.

[Spikey M]

Big old step backward from Koeman. Not sure what he thinks he's going to get out of the polished turd that Everton squad is. Other than an over-inflated wage packet, obvs.