The UK Politics Thread [Wot did Jez do now...]

[phonics]

Banks is off to make UKIP 2.0. lol. Can't wait till this revolution of spending millions on getting 0 MPs.

[Disco]

Of course, the library assistant from Ballymena has his finger on the pulse.

Probably as much as the telephone repair man from central shitsville, scotland does.

[Magic]

I'm East Coast, thanks.

[Mazuuurk]

Fuck all wrong with a bit of a G&T or a Dry Martini for that matter.

Gin on it's own isn't very nice though.

[Pepe]

Of course, the library assistant from Ballymena has his finger on the pulse.

:D

[Magic]

Oh God this is getting unbearable now. People are actually changing their profile pics and CONSTANTLY uploading/sharing satire. EURGH.

[phonics]

Just seen the Banks letter. As if I didn't already think he was a massive wanker, he signs off his letter 'Over and out'. GET IN THE BIN.

[Lewis]

https://order-order.com/2017/03/14/leaked-burnham-draft-manifesto-reveals-made-up-stories-about-women/

:lol:

[phonics]

This is how literally every speech ever is written. You create a narrative and find examples afterwards to prove that narrative. What about if Lauren from Altrincham doesn't want to appear in the media or doesn't want her name being used or it's found out that while it is sad that her benefits have been taken away she also recites Himmler to her kids. If the narrative is true then you find someone else who proves your narrative. It's Communications 101.

[Lewis]

Andy Burnham being a joke is my chosen narrative, so shut up.

[phonics]

Well it's true so you can instead pretty much anything he's ever said publicly instead.

[Jimmy Floyd]

The Arron Banks party is going to be some Americanised load of OUTRAGEOUS shit isn't it? Hopefully he wastes millions on it.

[GS]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C66bIvsWcAAzKTh.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C66T-4zWYAADQ8F.jpg

[Jimmy Floyd]

Nicola wants the question to be 'Should the brave Scot set the mountains and vales free from the bloodthirsty Tory Brexit London Westminster English government?' so you should run that through a poll before drawing any conclusions.

[GS]

I doubt the electoral commission would let them away with what they got up to in 2014.

[Boydy]

25-49 seems too wide an age range to lump together.

[Lewis]

It captures you quite nicely.

[Boydy]

:D

Fuck.

[John]

I'm not sure I buy Jimmy drinking lager, it must have been someone else.

As I remember the story, he 'necked a can' in the back of a car on the motorway.

This new independence referendum can fuck right off. Hopefully they word the question differently this time, so that 'Yes' means to stay with the UK. The lol at seeing what the hateful 'YES BAR' pub in Glasgow would do in response would be good enough, but I reckon it would send a few of the more vociferous twats right over the edge.

[phonics]

Hammond is going to climb down on the NIC stuff. lol. Fucking incompetence from top to bottom, left to right, government to opposition. The world is fucked because we're run by charlatans.

[Jimmy Floyd]

It was a good change as far as I can see. The self-employed media lobby strikes again.

[Lewis]

It should be nice to think that the government is unable to increase the tax take, but they're equally as unable to reduce spending significantly, so basically we're France now. Ugh. Anyway, at least Marine A has got away with shooting that bloke for a positive news leader.

[GS]

The backbenchers were sent out to defend it, and only agreed (apparently) providing they didn't u turn on it. It was a sensible economic measure too, so fuck knows how we're ever expected to get anything unpalatable through if there's an outcry over something as relatively trivial as this.

On a separate note, I think Jez delivered about the least competent performance you're ever going to see today. It's not really very funny anymore.

[GS]

Although in saying that, Hammond is fucking dreadful.

Gove would be a great Chancellor. He'd just start smashing shit left, right, and centre as he tried to reform it.

[phonics]

He'd be just as terrible. The leader of the Conservatives is absolutely terrified of what the papers think about her. Any time you made a move slightly different to Paul Dacre's opinion, you'd be sacked/forced to say 'Its all my fault and Theresa had nothing to do with it.'

She's a coward and a charlatan.

[Jimmy Floyd]

The alternate history Johnson/Gove government is the one.

[GS]

They're all shit, but putting a no tax increase in the manifesto is stupid. At some point, everybody in the country is going to have to face the music. There's a big, continuing budget deficit to fund current expenditure. You are either going to raise taxes or cut spending, because it can't go on indefinitely. The top 1% are already paying about 28% of the tax intake, and we're near the historical tipping point of tax base to GDP, so you can't squeeze them much more.

If *Labour* seethe over an NIC increase where lower earners are protected simply because it's the Tories introducing it, and the Tories don't have it in them to see a sensible economic measure through because of adverse publicity we're in bother.

[Lewis]

It's not the papers, it's the back benches. She'll be wanting to keep them sweet at all costs over the coming years (which strikes me as pointless, because they will roast any perceived weakness on Europe regardless), and nobody outside of lobby journalism cares about u-turns at all, so fuck it chuck Charisma Hammond under the bus.

[GS]

The 1922 committee apparently made it clear it wouldn't fly, but you suspect that was partly due to the backlash. The backbench, in general, (seemingly) were prepared to go out and support it on the sole provision it didn't get chucked later.

[Lewis]

I also like the theory that they see Hammond as the only remain figure not fully on board so want to nobble him. Post-Brexit, we're probably at the stage now where the dreaded 'Tory Right' is so-called because it gets everything right, so it might be best to let things take their course.

[Lewis]

The SEETHE coming out of Scotland. :drool:

[GS]

It's alright lads, they've got it sorted.

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[phonics]

On top of the 8 billion quid he's getting from Black Rock for doing nothing, ol' George has got himself a new job as Editor in Chief of the Evening Standard. He'll still pretend to be an MP while working both these jobs. lol.

[Lewis]

His Midlands seat vanishes in the boundary review, so he's probably off.

[Dquincy]

This country is so fucked up. It's favouring of the rich elite few is beyond comprehension.

Osborne is aledgedly paid 650k per anum by Blackrock for effectively 48 days of work. Absolute bollocks.

[phonics]

The next inevitable financial crash is definitely gonna give us some of that sweet, sweet, communism. Playing the long game. :cool:

[niko_cee]

Do you think they'll need their digital media presence managed?

[Dquincy]

The next inevitable financial crash is definitely gonna give us some of that sweet, sweet, communism. Playing the long game. :cool:

Is communism the answer?

[phonics]

Do you think they'll need their digital media presence managed?

They love a bit of the ol' propaganda posters. My work will be visible in every proletariat drinking hole around the country. I'll be able to skip to the front of the bread queue.


@Dquincy (http://www.thethirdhalf.co.uk/member.php?u=65): No, obviously not. Just a joke. Capitalism, works when it's fair, we just stopped being interested in such things sometime in the 80s when the individual became more important thanthe group. Stakeholders > Shareholders. It's an easy concept that we seem to have utterly abandoned.

[Alan Shearer The 2nd]

Anyone else noticed Sturgeon now being very careful in saying 'will of the Scottish parliament' and not 'will of the Scottish people' as she was all too happy to bleat every other day.

So much for her proclaiming the majority of Scots would have to want another referendum before considering one.

[Lewis]

I've moved on to lolling at Tim Farron (not that you ever really stop lolling at Tim Farron). The bizarre little cunt.

[Raoul Duke]

Why are all the politicians around now just absolute helmets? They're all just useless

[GS]

Tim Farron is uniquely dreadful. It's a bit of a shame to see the successor of the Whigs, Peelites, and the original Liberal party reduced to the fucking state it is.

[Jimmy Floyd]

https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/843947779957248000

The man is a proper British hero.

[GS]

He really is great.

[Lewis]

Aaaaaaand we're done (https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/mar/20/george-osborne-brexit-war-evening-standard) (at one point you would have said he planned this all along).

[niko_cee]

Lord Tebbit.

:cool:

[Jimmy Floyd]

I can only imagine the lols being had chez Gideon at that article.

[Lewis]

Lord Tebbit.

:cool:

He will have been perfecting that for decades.

[GS]

The coverage for McGuinness' death has been somewhat sycophantic.

McGuinness didn't move the IRA away from violence because he was suddenly struck by the immorality of bombing civilians and shooting police officers. He did it because the IRA couldn't win. The organisation was so infiltrated with informers that its ability to wage a campaign of any kind was seriously hindered. The only way still open of advancing the republican agenda of unification was through political means. If they thought there was still considerable traction in violent means, we'd still be going through checkpoints to get into the city centre.

[Lewis]

Tony Blair seems to be using this as a dress rehearsal for his own eulogy.

[GS]

Blair's was particularly nauseating.

The irony is that the STRUGGLE probably did more to ruin the prospect of a united Ireland than anything else they could have done.

[Boydy]

Martin McGuinness was a British agent.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Tony Blair was on the telly the other day calling George Osborne 'a capable guy' or whatever the Blairspeak is for that. He really has no shame.

[GS]

Martin McGuinness was a British agent.

There are stories that Gerry Adams is too. I doubt either were, frankly. It'd have come out properly by now.

[Adamski]

Martin McGuinness was a British agent.

To what end?

[Lewis]

Boyd's LiveJournal must have taken a hammering tonight listening to his old man lolling.

[Jimmy Floyd]

There are stories that Gerry Adams is too. I doubt either were, frankly. It'd have come out properly by now.

It wouldn't. There will be all manner of secret squirrel stuff from the 20th century that won't come out until everyone involved has popped off and it is dead history.

[GS]

Denis Donaldson (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denis_Donaldson) was 'outed' a few years ago, as was this guy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freddie_Scappaticci).

You might find that they had secret back channels to the British government which were longer-standing and more frequently used than anybody's admitted to so far, but I reckon that'd be the height of it.

If it was true, you'd have to have a heart of stone not to laugh.

[GS]

You sense the Daily Mail had to hold themselves back somewhat.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C7ep142X0AIYItq.jpg

[Alan Shearer The 2nd]

Some of the proper fawning over him is fucking revolting.

[phonics]

I genuinely have never understood how I'm supposed to feel about any of it.

[Disco]

Blowing people to bits pretty much trumps whatever else you get up to afterwards.

[Shindig]

Especially when almost all their targets were civilian and / or on religious grounds.

[Magic]

But he converted to a liberal and thus is beyond reproach.

[Boydy]

Especially when almost all their targets were civilian and / or on religious grounds.

That's just not true.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Anyone fancy a fiver on HM the Queen and/or Prince Phil dying in the next 48 hours?

[Henry]

Martin McGuinness was a British agent.

What is the evidence of this? I mean, it's possible that he was compromised at some point but calling him an "agent" seems to be going a bit far, and I don't think it's believable. And while there are various books about his role, I really would love to know the truth of exactly what was going on behind the scenes in the IRA.

On the man himself, as with Paisley, one can both be disgusted with his contribution to "the troubles" (I hate that name, which now seems to be semi-official) and appreciative of the skilful way he moved his constituency away from same.

I agree that on balance, the response to his death has been a bit sycophantic. Possibly a political necessity, but it's not justified by history.

[Spammer]

Anyone fancy a fiver on HM the Queen and/or Prince Phil dying in the next 48 hours?

You'll get on a list for saying things like that.

[Boydy]

I wasn't being serious, Henry.

[GS]

What is the evidence of this? I mean, it's possible that he was compromised at some point but calling him an "agent" seems to be going a bit far, and I don't think it's believable. And while there are various books about his role, I really would love to know the truth of exactly what was going on behind the scenes in the IRA.

On the man himself, as with Paisley, one can both be disgusted with his contribution to "the troubles" (I hate that name, which now seems to be semi-official) and appreciative of the skilful way he moved his constituency away from same.

I agree that on balance, the response to his death has been a bit sycophantic. Possibly a political necessity, but it's not justified by history.

I trust you're not attempting to establish equivalence between Paisley and the IRA.

[Henry]

I trust you're not attempting to establish equivalence between Paisley and the IRA.

They're not "equivalent". They were both malignant in very different ways.

[Giggles]

I trust you're not attempting to establish equivalence between Paisley and the IRA.

The blinkers of a black bastard :D

Paisley was as much a terrorist as anyone in the heyday.

[GS]

I think you may be mistaken.

[Lewis]

The Mail was spewing about somebody on the BBC comparing him to Nelson Mandela. The knots they must have had to tie themselves up in for that.


Anyone fancy a fiver on HM the Queen and/or Prince Phil dying in the next 48 hours?

Now they're definitely hanging on for Brexit Britain.

[Giggles]

I think you may be mistaken.

I think I'm not. I've seen your kind in action and know the delusions well.

[Giggles]

Also, Henry, racist?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Black_Institution

At least call it abuse or something or does Ital have you that well trained that you're afraid of the word?

[GS]

I think I'm not. I've seen your kind in action and know the delusions well.

There's no delusion. Establishing equivalence between them and the IRA is dense in the extreme. It's only advocated by people on 'the other side' who wish, for whatever reason, to justify, condone, or mitigate the IRA campaign.

[Giggles]

There's no delusion. Establishing equivalence between them and the IRA is dense in the extreme. It's only advocated by people on 'the other side' who wish, for whatever reason, to justify, condone, or mitigate the IRA campaign.

It's exactly the opposite. Both sides see their own terrorists as heroes. Your lot call the IRA murderers and go out with your bottle of buckfast to sing billy Wright songs. Their lot do the same.

Everyone up in that poisonous rats nest falls under the same umbrella. And Paisleys rally's are basically what kept the whole thing going for a long time, not to mention his hand in bombing campaigns.

[Henry]

Everyone up in that poisonous rats nest falls under the same umbrella.

Kindly go fuck yourself.

[Lewis]

Douglas Carswell has a book out on Monday.

[Jimmy Floyd]

As inside jobs go it's right up there. Seems to have made them all the idiots seethe themselves into a state of total disarray just by existing, but also won the EU referendum.

[Lewis]

It has booted the whinge in London down the news order as well. Is that... Is that Tim Farron with a megaphone? He probably uses it at home.

[Jimmy Floyd]

That lot are an embarrassment. One placard said:

'17 million voted for Brexit
17 million voted for the Nazis
17 million CAN be wrong'

Whereas a few thousand on a march are definitely right.

[Lewis]

I saw some idiot on Twitter signalling his disgust with Britain by getting a Canadian passport. Mate...

[GS]

The Shinners have, unsurprisingly, walked out of the post election talks. It's no doubt part of the long game of proving that Stormont "can't work" and therefore shoving the border to the top of political discourse again. What a fucking joy that'll be.

http://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/ed-moloney-he-was-savagely-cruel-but-only-mcguinness-could-end-the-terror-1-7884440

This is also instructive reading, for anybody interested in why last week's eulogising was particularly divisive.

[Henry]

The Maloney article is good.

Your point about what the "Shinners" are now doing is not. That is clearly not their strategy since they have been much more willing than their counterparts to run the local institutions over the past 15 years. The corruption around Foster is unacceptable.

[Lewis]

These Labour Brexit tests look like a way of BOTTLING IT without having to explain to their voters that they placed the single market over freedom of movement, which makes you wonder how much the actual leadership dictates its European policies. I wouldn't be surprised if Team Jezza has washed their hands of the issue in return for being left alone for a bit.

[GS]

The Maloney article is good.

Your point about what the "Shinners" are now doing is not. That is clearly not their strategy since they have been much more willing than their counterparts to run the local institutions over the past 15 years. The corruption around Foster is unacceptable.

McGuinness, perhaps. Gerry Adams is running the show by himself now. The long game is surely to demonstrate that Northern Ireland can't work and therefore other options need to be looked at. If everyone is happy with the status quo, then nobody is going to vote for unification outside the nutter fringe.

[GS]

These Labour Brexit tests look like a way of BOTTLING IT without having to explain to their voters that they placed the single market over freedom of movement, which makes you wonder how much the actual leadership dictates its European policies. I wouldn't be surprised if Team Jezza has washed their hands of the issue in return for being left alone for a bit.

Their tests would amount to effectively staying in the EU.

I'm starting to think May should call the election (or: bring the relevant legislation before parliament) and ruin them.

[Henry]

http://www.sbs.com.au/news/sites/sbs.com.au.news/files/styles/full/public/legsit.jpg?itok=oaF6QdV2&mtime=1490661274

What the fuck is "Legs-it"? Fucking scum.

[John Arne]

Fucking hell. Who thought that would be a good idea?

Imagine being a woman in that office today... in fact, imaging working in that office... embarrassing.

[Offshore Toon]

Sturgeon won.

[Henry]

They're both hideously unattractive. You'd think it would be difficult to bring ones-self to leer at them, but the Mail managed it.

Everyone involved should be shot at dawn.

[Boydy]

I thought your problem was that it's a bit inappropriate to be leering at the women leaders of the UK rather than just them being 'hideously unattractive'. That post's almost as bad as the Mail's headline.

[Henry]

My problem is both, and also with whoever thought that using the phrase "legs-it" was something the public should have to suffer.

[Smiffy]

I don't condone beating on women but there's just something about Sturgeon that makes you want to punch her.

[wullie]

Calling them both uggos slightly undermines the outrage.

[Kikó]

Yeah if they were fit then I could understand it but when they look like that!

Covered yourself in glory there Henry.

[Henry]

Yeah if they were fit then I could understand it

There's a time and place (i.e. not the front page of a newspaper) but let's not pretend we don't all objectify women.

[Offshore Toon]

Can you give an example of some women it would be appropriate to ponder legs-it over?

[phonics]

Heather Mills.

[Kikó]

There's a time and place (i.e. not the front page of a newspaper) but let's not pretend we don't all objectify women.

Fine but maybe don't do it while you're moralising over the mail for doing the same thing.

Next up, breast-it.

[Offshore Toon]

Somebody mock up a Brexit version of Bop-it.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c1/Bop_it_Extreme.jpg

[Jimmy Floyd]

I don't objectify women. Is there a prize?

[Spammer]

Is thinking someone is hot 'objectifying' them? What if you know them and you think they're also cool to chat to?

[Disco]

I see Henry is revealing his delightful side again.

[Offshore Toon]

Henry, can you let Glenn and Scoobs know that Teh Refuge's 10th anniversary is coming up and they're invited?

[Henry]

No, I cannot.

Now, once again, my problem is not objectifying women, which we all do. It's trivialising serious subjects by doing so on the front page of a newspaper using idiotic phrases like "legs-it" because you can't even be arsed to think of a proper pun, when the women in question aren't all too pretty.
Not sure how anyone can have a problem with that.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Has Richard Keys taken over your account?

[Pepe]

So the issue is that you found the joke shit? Bloody hell. :D

[Pepe]

What pun would you have used Henry?

[Henry]

Maybe try reading my post and not ignoring most of it.

[Pepe]

Alright, you didn't like the joke and you think they are ugly. What pun would you have used and which women would you have chosen?

[Pepe]

Good to know you have no issue objectifying women, since we all do it. What else do we all do?

[Henry]

Nope. Maybe third time.

[Lewis]

Theresa May isn't bad looking for sixty. Wee Jimmy Krankie though. Jesus.

[Pepe]

Had to Google that but still. :D

[Disco]

Has Richard Keys taken over your account?

I was thinking Pavel.

[Raoul Duke]

Who is the fittest MP?

[Boydy]

Ed Balls.

[Spikey M]

http://i63.tinypic.com/2mea0c2.jpg

Envy is not a good colour on you, Hennerz.

Source: Lewis - Teh Refuge - Page 1 - Thread 1.

[Lewis]

Will 29 March be the Brexit bank holiday, or will it stay as 23 June?

[GS]

The irony of that court case is that it cemented the idea that Article 50 is irreversible.

We're leaving, lads. What a moment this is. :drool:

[Lewis]

http://i67.tinypic.com/2zq4n6s.jpg

:cool:

[GS]

It's not quite "Piss off, we're full", is it? Must do better.

[Jimmy Floyd]

It's such a great decision but no one, not even half of its advocates, sees why.

[Lewis]

Hopefully we start to see that extra NHS money soon.

[Disco]

Print media peaked with 'Up Your Delors' so they may as well not bother.

[GS]

Watching Jean Claude Juncker drink himself into retirement will suffice.

[Lewis]

Sending the letter on the Eurostar is lame. They should have dropped it from a Lancaster.

[Giggles]

I thought the whole reason everyone wanted it was basically BRITAIN PHWOAR.

[Lewis]

If Ireland has to follow us out (which it probably will), that technically makes us their boss again, so that was an obvious factor.

[niko_cee]

Thus begins the next period of interminable nonsense. With the massed ranks of the remain establishment hoping 'no deal' can somehow save the day.

There isn't going to be a deal in any meaningful sense. We may as well tell them to stick their settlement and that if they want to stop paying Mandelson and Kinnock (and the rest) whatever entirely unmerited amounts they are creaming off them more than have at it. I think I'm just bout old enough to avoid being conscripted when it comes to that.

It'll be interesting to see how willingly the EU bods chuck the Irish under the bus. Maybe this will settle the age old question. Edit, beaten to it. Won't somebody think of the mushroom farmers!

[Giggles]

If Ireland has to follow us out (which it probably will), that technically makes us their boss again, so that was an obvious factor.

Nah if you weren't able to keep it the first time round then there's no chance you're ever getting it back. We'd take our chances with anyone else other than the last regime.

I just want the proper border back :drool:

[Spikey M]

There will be no Brexit deal, we will have 2 sassy years of break up texts then we will put their shit outside in bin bags.

The only obvious solution to losing such a huge market os to retreat into Islam. Allahu Akbar, Mother fuckers.

[Shindig]

Brussels doesn't want to show an exit with benefits. They do not want to encourage other nations to follow suit. The only way we do get a deal is if we have something the EU genuinely needs. As for our benefits of leaving, I can think of a few but I don't think they add up to the raw billions we get from membership every year.

- More university places for British students ... and less funding.
- Smaller business being free of EU legislation .... and probably funding.
- Less immigration from the EU ... probably.

The immigration one is weird because, whilst our net migration slowed last year, we've still got a welfare setup that people come to the UK for. And if Brexit does hit us more, you'll get more claimants regardless. We have to make this work for ourselves, frankly and that'll cost a lot of our money. Savings on the membership fees are a pittance that'll be stretched thin across a gaggle of options (NHS, Social care, infrastructure, etc).

[Jimmy Floyd]

The twitter tears are still great. 'This is a terrible day for our children'. We're leaving a customs union you nonce.

How the EU has come to represent all that is good and holy I have no idea. They're all corrupt bastards. I genuinely think it's mainly snobbery about working class people voting Leave and not wanting to be associated with that sort of scum.

[phonics]

845047473391505410

lol

[Jimmy Floyd]

I love that everyone's started quoting council by-election results on Twitter in the last 6 months. They were pretty quiet on the subject for the previous 5 years when UKIP kept swiping them and the Lib Dems turned to dust.

Most Lib Dem gains are because they are in natural liberal territory but went down to near zero under Clegg. The Lib Dems led by Mr Blobby would make huge gains at the moment.

[Kikó]

There will be no Brexit deal, we will have 2 sassy years of break up texts then we will put their shit outside in bin bags.

The only obvious solution to losing such a huge market os to retreat into Islam. Allahu Akbar, Mother fuckers.

"And that is why, I'm proud to be announcing our strategic military alliance with the definitely called Islamic State"

[phonics]

I love that everyone's started quoting council by-election results on Twitter in the last 6 months. They were pretty quiet on the subject for the previous 5 years when UKIP kept swiping them and the Lib Dems turned to dust.

Most Lib Dem gains are because they are in natural liberal territory but went down to near zero under Clegg. The Lib Dems led by Mr Blobby would make huge gains at the moment.

I was just lolling at a 50 point turnaround.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Well it looks like they didn't stand a candidate before.

UKIP and the Greens getting crushed everywhere is good though, I want the Lib Lab Con and I want it now.

[Lewis]

The twitter tears are still great. 'This is a terrible day for our children'. We're leaving a customs union you nonce.

How the EU has come to represent all that is good and holy I have no idea. They're all corrupt bastards. I genuinely think it's mainly snobbery about working class people voting Leave and not wanting to be associated with that sort of scum.

Lord Cummings reported as much in his megablog. Owen Jones wrote yesterday that 'rightwing Brexiters' want to use it to reverse feminism and kick trannies about. I must have missed that leaflet.

[Giggles]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C8CVEeGXkAEP2MN.jpg

[GS]

The twitter tears are still great. 'This is a terrible day for our children'. We're leaving a customs union you nonce.

How the EU has come to represent all that is good and holy I have no idea. They're all corrupt bastards. I genuinely think it's mainly snobbery about working class people voting Leave and not wanting to be associated with that sort of scum.

It is utterly fucking bizarre, isn't it.

Constantly throwing it into the same bucket as Trump / Le Pen / RIGHT WING POPULISM probably reflects the fact that most of the remain crowd picked a side and are desperate to make sure they're seen as being on the right one.

[Boydy]

Lewis and Jimmy will like this.

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[Jimmy Floyd]

The best thing about Ian Dunt, and there are many great things, is that his twitter profile picture makes him look like a brooding black/Asian/mixed race man in his forties, but in every other picture he looks like a useless, balding white prat in his early thirties tops.

They've all shat themselves again today. They'd been kind of calming down over the last couple of months as well.

[Lewis]

I said to my friend the other day that anyone with a black and white Facebook picture is a wanker, but there ended up being too many wanker-making rules. Black and white; looking into the distance/to the side; shit ones to try and 'own' being a state (leedsrevolution); ones like what Ian Dunt has that clearly took a hundred attempts to make it look like you just threw one up there... Just use a selfie or something to alert like-minded people to your anime wanking.

[Boydy]

The best thing about Ian Dunt, and there are many great things, is that his twitter profile picture makes him look like a brooding black/Asian/mixed race man in his forties, but in every other picture he looks like a useless, balding white prat in his early thirties tops.

They've all shat themselves again today. They'd been kind of calming down over the last couple of months as well.

See also: Rafael Behr.

I thought he was black/mixed race for ages due to his New Statesman profile picture. Saw him on TV and he's just a white bloke.

[Shindig]

They've nine months to get used to the idea. We were never not going to trigger it. Just sit there and seethe in silence with an 'I told you so' ready, just in case.

[Jimmy Floyd]

There's been a schism in Club Harold:

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2017/03/richard-dawkins-we-need-new-party-european-party

[Shindig]

Nobody's qualified to vote for general elections, either. We still do it, Rich.

[Jimmy Floyd]

http://www.politico.eu/article/what-the-eu27-wants-from-brexit/

A good read this, and does very little to dispel my belief that they are all going to cave in like the flimsy continental folding chairs that they are.

[Pepe]

Cave in to what?

[Lewis]

I saw Ed Balls' wife on the news saying that security concerns should not be a 'bargaining chip' (such a crap term) because they are serious bizness. Yeah right, love. I said ages ago that we should threaten to leave NATO, and having President Donald J. Trump over there appearing not to know how it works would only increase its effectiveness (at worst they would call our bluff and accelerate their little Grande Armee, but we could still lol at Nick Clegg and rally behind not having anything to do with it).

[Jimmy Floyd]

Isn't that precisely why they should be a bargaining chip?

Sure it might not pass the eye rolling and 'This country.' test, but in terms of actual real world stuff.

[Lewis]

You would like to think it's just fannies being fannies, wanting us to turn up armed with 'Keep Calm' memorabilia and continued access to iPlayer, but there must be a couple of actual people (rather than just Ian Dunt) wanting it to fail.

[GS]

Of course it should be a bargaining chip, as should the rights of EU citizens living here.

What sort of wanker walks into a negotiation and immediately concedes the point on everything we can offer before DEMANDING they do us a favour on everything else.

That said, our membership of any EU-based structure lapses the second we leave unless there's a new bilateral agreement to replace it. So if we can't get a trade deal as part of that worth signing in place, there won't be a deal and we'll automatically drop out of everything anyway. All Theresa May needs to do is turn up in Moscow and meet Putin, and the eastern European countries will shit themselves and concede the point across the board.

[Lewis]

I'm watching the back end of Newsnight, and Michael Heseltine is actually in mourning. On Norman Tebbit's birthday as well. :lol:

[GS]

This is a decent panel tonight, but Len McCluskey is clearly delusional.

[GS]

To be fair, it took him an hour to get onto "we should tax the rich more" so you have to admire the level of restraint he's shown.

[Yevrah]

Wrong account?

[GS]

It's possible I was being sarcastic.

This nonsense on workers' rights is fucking stupid as well. It's your standard line of treating the public as if they're thick.

[Lewis]

My grandad got a right seethe on during the referendum campaign when the unions were claiming the European Union was responsible current workplace protections, as if it somehow diminished his seventies copper filling in exploits.

[GS]

It's evidently complete bollocks, but it's not as if these nutters are ever going to concede the point on it. They'd need to find something else to strike over.

[Lewis]

lol at Spain giving it the large'un over Gibraltar. We should set up some sort of Oliver North gun-running scheme between us, Morocco, and all of their loser separatists.

[GS]

I assume the remain mob were straight onto Twitter to complain about the EU attempting to blackmail us by threatening to torpedo Gibraltar's right to self determination?

[Jimmy Floyd]

Can you imagine if this was a Boris Johnson government? It would be an absolute fucking circus.

[phonics]

A load of people desperate for the Empire comeback only to lose Scotland, Ireland and Gibraltar within 2 years of the thing would be a hearty lol.

[Lewis]

I missed the Empire comeback advert. Was it on the bus?

[Henry]

Looks like the EU are being their usual intransigent selves, so this is going to suck bigly. And what the fuck else did people expect?

[phonics]

Lewis, you see that YouGov poll mate? THE PEOPLE want blue passports and the return of lbs and oz'

[Jimmy Floyd]

The brilliance of these negotiations is that in being 1 of us vs 27 of them, it's going to demonstrate exactly why the EU is shit. But no, apparently they 'have all the cards'. They have no cards.

[Lewis]

Peter Hitchens' Twitter feed is worth a look on imperial measurements.

[GS]

Looks like the EU are being their usual intransigent selves, so this is going to suck bigly. And what the fuck else did people expect?

It proves why we should be leaving. They're legitimately useless.

[GS]

He buys into his own hype a bit much, but he's quality when he's having a go at the EU.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBMBvclLZ3I

"Stay in and reform it!" indeed.

[Lewis]

The collective (arf) left-wing BOTTLE JOB over Europe is up there with the great political bed-shittings.

[Shindig]

The brilliance of these negotiations is that in being 1 of us vs 27 of them, it's going to demonstrate exactly why the EU is shit. But no, apparently they 'have all the cards'. They have no cards.

"That's a nice defence budget you have there. Would be a shame if .... that was reduced by a quarter." <messes up papers on Junker's desk>

[Henry]

Threats of war with Spain from senior Tory scum. Oh dear.

[Shindig]

Reclaiming a sort of Empire by battering the skint bits of Europe is a futuristic dystopia I can get behind.

[GS]

No-one is reclaiming an Empire. Gibraltar has been British since 1713 (legally). They want to remain British (see the recent referenda). Either you allow them self-determination or you don't. Giving Spain any sort of specific say on Gibraltar because of a sovereignty claim is seriously suspect on the EU's part, but then it's hardly surprising at the same time.

If the Spanish want Gibraltar, they'll need to convince the people of Gibraltar that it's in their interests. The Argentinians drastically failed at this in the Falklands, and set any prospect of obtaining sovereignty back by generations.

On the specifics of "threatening war", Howard did no such thing. He said that resolve should be shown to defend their rights, which is entirely reasonable. If we weren't prepared to do that, then what would be the point.

If it came to it, we should look into passing an Act of Union that makes Gibraltar an integral part of the United Kingdom and thus bypasses any such issue entirely. We could then rescind it once we've left. It would probably trigger a national meltdown in Spain, but fuck them. It's not as if they've got imperialist positions like Ceuta and Melilla, after all.

[Lewis]

Michael Howard always did have a gift for drawing OUTRAGE with perfectly reasonable points.

[Shindig]

No-one is reclaiming an Empire.

Fine, we won't invite you.

[GS]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/apr/02/eu-will-not-go-soft-on-gibraltar-brexit-talks-diplomats-say-spain

You really do have to laugh at them.

[Alan Shearer The 2nd]

So everyone's now losing their shit about Michael Howard 'declaring war on Spain'.

Get a fucking grip.

[GS]

At least it's a change from "they're using it as a bargaining chip!".

[John Arne]

Why is The Guardian even giving column inches to unnamed "sources" threatening the status-quo of a island that has been British for some 300 years, and 2 voted to remain so..??

[GS]

Because they're still in a state of deep mourning over the result and they're desperate to prove they've been right all along.

[John Arne]

Threats of war with Spain from senior Tory scum. Oh dear.

Who? Michael Howard?

[Lewis]

Somebody should ask Tim Farron and all the other fannies to what extent they would sell Gibraltar out to keep the European Union on side.

[Byron]

As a lefty, these territories are an area where I go against the grain. I love Gibraltar, been there three times and the locals are very keen to stress that they are British.

Basically if the Spanish want a go, then let them. Thatcher beat back the Argies and the army will fend off a bunch of Paella munching dickheads.

[Lewis]

Any left-winger worth a wank should support self-determination, otherwise what even is anti-imperialism? Besides, giving the Spanish any sort of say in their affairs would be about as imperialist as it gets, seeing as we would be transferring sovereignty over the very clear wishes of the locals. In which case it seems like a basic case of simply putting European interests over British ones.

[GS]

Farron and his ilk would have us concede the point on every conceivable advantage we may hold in the negotiation process. Their hope is surely that if the deal is manifestly terrible, then Continuity Remain will be able to argue in about five years' time that it isn't working and we must go back in.

I suspect some are so invested in the "project" that they would legitimately sooner see the UK collapse when we leave than succeed, because our succeeding would undermine their entire world view.

Gibraltar is a case in point. Anyone who actually believes in democracy should be outraged by the EU effectively saying that Gibraltar won't be able to exercise its right to self determination. Instead some of them have jumped onto "but she didn't mention Gibraltar in the Article 50 letter!".

[ItalAussie]

Of course Gibraltar should have self-determination.

That said, you just know there's a subset of rah-rah Queen-and-Empire nationalists who are itching for a proper old-school fight with a European country, to show who rules the waves etc, and Spain's as good as any.

[niko_cee]

Souring relations with Britain, including obstructiveness over travel arrangements? Sounds like a winning plan for Spain.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I reckon Spain might be one of the only countries we have a 100% war record against. I can't think of any defeats there anyway.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Souring relations with Britain, including obstructiveness over travel arrangements? Sounds like a winning plan for Spain.

Quite, they're very much ready to become a larger scale Portugal if anything happens to their tourism (which it probably will anyway).

[Henry]

Another thing that comes to mind is that there's no way that Michael Howard made such bellicose remarks without the knowledge and possibly instruction of Teresa May.

Regarding self-determination, that's obviously something that sane people agree with. But it has nothing to do with making threats of war against allied countries. Spain have not said that they would invade, only apparently suggested that they might block a trade deal, which is entirely legitimate.

[Jimmy Floyd]

In what way is it legitimate? Can we similarly block a trade deal because we decide to lay claim to Vigo?

[phonics]

Wasn't part of Gibraltars self-determination outlined when 96% of the populace voted to remain in the EU? Mugabe struggles to get those sort of numbers.

[Jimmy Floyd]

They had a sovereignty vote not long ago and the number for staying British was more than 96%. Maybe as high as 99%.

[Henry]

In what way is it legitimate? Can we similarly block a trade deal because we decide to lay claim to Vigo?

Yes. I mean, it might be stupid but you/they can trade with, or not trade with, whoever they like.

[GS]

Of course Gibraltar should have self-determination.

That said, you just know there's a subset of rah-rah Queen-and-Empire nationalists who are itching for a proper old-school fight with a European country, to show who rules the waves etc, and Spain's as good as any.

Which is fine, but let's not pretend that such views represent government policy.

[phonics]

Well, it's all going great as 'The Chief Minister Of Gibraltar' (first time I knew that existed) has called Donald Tusk, and I am 100% serious, a cuck.

[phonics]

This sort of thing annoys me because it makes me realise that if I had spent my teenage years sucking privilege dick instead of doing drugs and going to raves I could definitely be half way there to running a small to medium sized nation at this point.

[GS]

Yes. I mean, it might be stupid but you/they can trade with, or not trade with, whoever they like.

A trade deal is either ratified by the European parliament or, if there's a mixed agreement, it's returned to the member states for individual ratification. In the event it's the former, Spain could have its MEPs outvoted and the deal goes ahead. In the latter, it could block it by refusing to ratify the UK-EU deal at a national level (see Wallonia with CETA), but it would scupper the whole deal.

What Spain are doing, however, is wanting to exercise a veto over whether the UK-EU deal also applies to Gibraltar - in effect, suggesting it's a "special case". It would allow them to block a deal only where Gibraltar is concerned, thus assuaging its constitutional obsession without raising any direct political difficulties with the rest of the EU if it tried to block the entire deal.

They're British, they want to be British, they're recognised as British citizens in the EU, and they joined in 1973 with the UK. Pretending that they should have some sort of special status, subject to a Spanish veto, is clearly a direct challenge to their right to self determination.

Spain has a right to boycott trade with Gibraltar, or the UK, if they so wish. They also have the right to block a "mixed agreement" trade deal with the UK and its territories. They have no legitimate claim to veto a deal for Gibraltar alone on the basis of a 300+ year claim of sovereignty.

[John Arne]

Another thing that comes to mind is that there's no way that Michael Howard made such bellicose remarks without the knowledge and possibly instruction of Teresa May.

Regarding self-determination, that's obviously something that sane people agree with. But it has nothing to do with making threats of war against allied countries. Spain have not said that they would invade, only apparently suggested that they might block a trade deal, which is entirely legitimate.

It's Spain who brought this issue up, and are trying to blackmail the UK in regards to Brexit. A number Spanish politicians have come out with very strong words on the issue. Howard is an idiot, and no longer an MP - he doesn't represent anybody.



Esteban González Pons, the vice-chair of the European People’s party, told El País newspaper that May’s failure to mention Gibraltar in the letter on Wednesday was “very relevant”, adding that the omission was “because Gibraltar isn’t part of the United Kingdom; it’s a colony like the island of St Helena”.


If this was any other country other than the UK, you would be shouting from the rooftops that a country shouldn't be blackmailing another country on trade deals so that it could leverage it's position on a piece of land that hasn't voted overwhelmingly in favour of the status-quo.

[GS]

That said, there are clear lessons to be taken from the Falklands. British policy up to 1982 gave a clear indication to the Argentinians that we weren't really fussed about it. We'd restricted full British citizenship to the Falklanders and withdrawn key military assets from the south Atlantic. We'd even had some preliminary discussions on a lease arrangement to effectively cede control after a period of time (decades). Galtieri thought they could invade, we wouldn't bother to defend it, and it would give him an easy nationalistic drum to beat at home. The Argentinians were effectively beaten from the moment Thatcher sent the task force, because they didn't think they'd actually have to fight.

Not that anybody seriously thinks there would be war (fucking seriously) over Gibraltar, but we do need to be quite clear publicly and privately that its sovereignty is not up for discussion, that we're fully committed to it and, where the question is raised in the abstract, we would be more than prepared to defend it. If we aren't clearly committed, that'll just encourage the Spanish (and the EU, by extension) to continue making it an issue. It needs nipped in the bud quickly, otherwise it's just going to fester.

[Jimmy Floyd]

The whole thing is just more Remainer bed-shitting. As is their OUTRAGE about blue passports. If it doesn't matter what colour the passports are, why are they wasting so much seethe on it?

[phonics]

Because they say they can't find any money to put into the NHS, Schools, Police, Fire Department, Council yada yada yada because AUSTERITY but can find half a billion down the back of the sofa to change the colour of the passport that I will then invariably have to pay a bajillion quid for to recoup the cost. It's just fucking stupid and a pointless waste of time and money yet this is all the papers can point to along with straight bananas (which we barely grow because it's a fucking banana for fucks sake) as signs of our FREEDOM. What's the point?

And if it's only the bloody REMOANERS who care about this, why is it on the front of, the only true patriots paper, The Express?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C8ZkbIdXYAA1rH-.jpg

The 'everything bad and costly about Brexit is 48% of the countrys fault' argument has got incredibly tedious incredibly fast.

[GS]

Because they say they can't find any money to put into the NHS, Schools, Police, Fire Department, Council yada yada yada because AUSTERITY but can find half a billion down the back of the sofa to change the colour of the passport that I will then invariably have to pay a bajillion quid for to recoup the cost. It's just fucking stupid and a pointless waste of time and money yet this is all the papers can point to along with straight bananas as signs of our FREEDOM. What's the point?

Passports are updated every five years to combat fraud. The present contract ends in 2019. It'll need to be updated anyway for new passports issued thereafter, and present passports reflect European citizenship which will need to be amended also. Ergo it's £500m over the course of the next five year contract which is going to be spent anyway, in which providing a blue rather than a burgundy cover literally adds nothing to the cost.

This synthetic outrage, ignorant of fact, is really wasting everybody's time. Who would you care if the new passports were blue instead of burgundy after 2019?

[phonics]

No-one except if we reversed the colours it would outrage: The Express, The Mail, Nigel Farage, Arron Banks etc. etc. etc.

Oh yeah I'd forgotten about this bloke

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C8ZgbZNW0AAmj0v.jpg:large

"A source of humiliation"

Oh yeah and I'll refer back to the YouGov poll about Brexit

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C8FH3VcX0AA4JOp.jpg:large

52% of Leave voters, no idea why that number seems to ring a bell so much.

[Lewis]

The whole thing is just more Remainer bed-shitting. As is their OUTRAGE about blue passports. If it doesn't matter what colour the passports are, why are they wasting so much seethe on it?

Because they can't take it (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZRROPz2n5o#t=37s). See also: the responses to literally every President Donald J. Trump tweet.

[GS]

So what if they're annoyed? It's a passport colour. That said, basing a rant on an outright misrepresentation that it's going to see half a billion quid going up in flames to appease small minded nationalism is just as bad.

[phonics]

'Who would care...'

'Shows people who would care is all on GS side'

'They don't count'

[Lewis]

They should definitely bring back smoking in pubs.

[GS]

Saying we should bring it back after we leave isn't saying it's why people voted to leave. If some of the leave crowd want it to be a consequence of the vote (rather than it ever having been a cause / driver of it), who cares? What does it matter to you, personally, if it's blue?

Continuity Remain are making it into an issue because they're still desperate to show that Little England rose up in an anti-everything rebellion against common sense. It's a collective bed shitting unparalleled in modern politics, as others have outlined.

[GS]

They should definitely bring back smoking in pubs.

I'm quite intrigued by the idea that 20% of the remain vote want to bring back the death penalty. That sort of chicanery is reserved for the uneducated leave-supporting proletarian masses.

[phonics]

What does it matter to you, personally, if it's blue?

Continuity Remain are making it into an issue because they're still desperate to show that Little England rose up in an anti-everything rebellion against common sense. It's a collective bed shitting unparalleled in modern politics, as others have outlined.

First point - I don't want to pay for a new passport.

Second point - It was literally the front page of the Express yesterday. That's where the reaction is from.

[Lewis]

A referendum on the death penalty would be the funniest thing in history.

[GS]

You'll have to pay for a new passport at some stage because your current British passport says you're a European citizen and you won't be in two years.

You're also making the usual Continuity Remain mistake of taking views from the nutter fringe of the debate (the express barely qualifies as journalism) and deciding it accurately represents the views of everyone on the leave side.

As Ital alluded to, there's a nutter fringe who love this sort of thing. Getting involved in the debate is exactly what they want, and it's drowning the sensible middle ground. The likes of the Lord Blair and the Guardian are just as bad on the other side, but most people just lol at them rather than engaging in morally superior hand wringing.

[GS]

A referendum on the death penalty would be the funniest thing in history.

Fucking imagine the carnage if it went through. The entire staff of the Guardian would end up on hunger strike.

[phonics]

but most people just lol at them rather than engaging in morally superior hand wringing.

hahahahahahahahaha.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CwXwe6AXUAQsiCp.jpg

[Offshore Toon]

I forgot they wore those wigs. :lol:

[GS]

It's true, because the leave side know that their side won and the holdouts on the other side just look desperate.

I think it was Floyd who said before the vote that the fallout from a leave vote would be incredible, and it has certainly been the case.

[Lewis]

You're so crap at this, phonics.

[GS]

The courts don't represent Continuity Remain, for fuck sake.

[phonics]

So that's not 'morally superior hand wringing'? Did Brexit fall apart due to those judges or did everything continue on as normal?

[Lewis]

He addressed that sort of balls in the bits of his post you deleted, Harold.

[phonics]

He addressed that sort of balls in the bits of his post you deleted, Harold.

So everyone who voted Remain is FREAKING OUT and are all blathering idiots outraged by everything (they even seem to have formed a party called Continuity Remain?) but Leave has a wide variety of views, some nutters and some more in the middle. Weird that.

[Jimmy Floyd]

A referendum on the death penalty would be the funniest thing in history.

It would lose (it really would this time), but imagine the campaign hand wringing.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Also, both sides are basically doing the same thing on pretty much every issue on this, and behaving in exactly the same ridiculous, petty way. It's just that the Leave win was not expected (thanks Dom), so both have been even more tub-thumping than they would otherwise have been.

[Lewis]

So everyone who voted Remain is FREAKING OUT and are all blathering idiots outraged by everything (they even seem to have formed a party called Continuity Remain?) but Leave has a wide variety of views, some nutters and some more in the middle. Weird that.

The whole point of referring to 'Continuity Remain' is to differentiate the sad acts bealing on Twitter from 'everyone who voted Remain', since most of them have accepted it and moved on with their lives.

[Yevrah]

Fucking imagine the carnage if it went through. The entire staff of the Guardian would end up on hunger strike.

Probably quite rightly as it's actually something worth getting upset about, while very little if any of the cry me a river remain stuff is.

[Yevrah]

It would lose (it really would this time), but imagine the campaign hand wringing.

Would it lose though? Aren't opinion poll results (rofl) always in favour of it?

[Jimmy Floyd]

Would it lose though? Aren't opinion poll results (rofl) always in favour of it?

They aren't really nowadays. Maybe 15 years ago. It's in decline. The last one I saw the other day was 36% in favour.

Also, I see this £500 million figure for blue passports is in fact just the amount of money it costs to make passports over that period, blue or otherwise, and will be paid anyway (and covered by the passport fee). That must be at least as much of a LIE as anything peddled by the Leave campaign.

[Lewis]

I like to think that the pro-life (arf) campaign would manage to balls it right up by refusing to be complacent ('Not this time!') and going overboard.

'Tony Martin's comments have no place in modern Britain.'

[Jimmy Floyd]

The AV referendum was the best one, because it was the moment they realised that their bullshit could be easily defeated by other bullshit, and yet this apparently didn't instil them with any self awareness whatsoever.

[Lewis]

That Dan Snow advert was prophetic, what with pub once again triumphing over coffee.

[Spikey M]

They aren't really nowadays. Maybe 15 years ago. It's in decline. The last one I saw the other day was 36% in favour.

Also, I see this £500 million figure for blue passports is in fact just the amount of money it costs to make passports over that period, blue or otherwise, and will be paid anyway (and covered by the passport fee). That must be at least as much of a LIE as anything peddled by the Leave campaign.

It would depend on the criminal landscape at the time. If there was an Ian Huntley up in court at aroind the same time as the vote then I think enough people would be reactionary enough to swing it.

[GS]

There's clearly a subset of the population that would like to see a certain class of odious criminal escorted out onto the scaffold and summarily executed within the hour after they've been convicted, but it seems to be an ever diminishing view.

Whatever your view on the morality of it, the practicality of it is such that you really can't have it. You can't exactly do much to fix it if you manage to strap the wrong person into the electric chair.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Even if it got through a referendum, would they actually use it in practice? It would have to be a Breivik type event before everyone was in agreement.

[Raoul Duke]

People just think it'd make awesome TV

[Jimmy Floyd]

Everyone used to go and watch it back in the olden days, didn't they. You could have the hangings at Wembley and charge £45 a ticket. Good fundraiser.

[GS]

I doubt they could ever get away with implementing it, even if it was on the statute book as an option. Assuming you go with lethal injection, being the only supposedly humane way of murdering someone, you'd find obstacles absolutely everywhere. In some of the states, the Americans have had to put a stop to it because nobody will sell them the drugs. No doctors are willing to actually administer the injections either, and the jailers doing it run the risk of being done for inflicting cruel and unusual punishment if they fuck it up - so anybody sensible is going to run a mile before they agree to involve themselves.

Pretty much every other mechanism fails on the basic criteria of not being absolutely dreadful, so there's literally no way of bringing it in without it being a complete disaster.

More importantly, it would see us cede much-welcome moral high ground on the Americans. Nobody wants that, surely.

[Alan Shearer The 2nd]

Nitrogen would be the way. Portillo did a good documentary on it a few years ago-

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/11495658/Michael-Portillo-inspires-Oklahoma-to-consider-execution-by-nitrogen.html

[Lewis]

Hanging is the British way of offing people, so it would have to be that.

[Alan Shearer The 2nd]

Bring back Pierrepoint.

[niko_cee]

He'd have to be Peterpoint nowadays.