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    There was that survey a while back which suggested a sizeable number had some sympathy with the world view of suicide bombers.

    I'm not sure there's sufficient recognition of that.

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    I'd love to know how many politicians who cite 'the vast majority' of Muslims not supporting something actually have any figures to back this up, or are they just projecting their own lazy assumptions, or are they deliberately lying in order to try and dupe us into carrying on with the multicultural consensus that propelled them to where they are? I think the latter.

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    It was her who arranged for Russell Brand to interview Ed Miliband, so she could just be an idiot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd View Post
    I'd love to know how many politicians who cite 'the vast majority' of Muslims not supporting something actually have any figures to back this up, or are they just projecting their own lazy assumptions, or are they deliberately lying in order to try and dupe us into carrying on with the multicultural consensus that propelled them to where they are? I think the latter.
    There's definitely an element of not wanting to accept what a catastrophic fuck up it was as a policy, especially given it was foisted on the populace when nobody asked for it.

    The idea that "most" reject it isn't really cause for celebration, is it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GS View Post
    There's definitely an element of not wanting to accept what a catastrophic fuck up it was as a policy
    What policy would that be?

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    Why does nobody I know ever get surveyed on these things? Who are all these surveys asking exactly?

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    Because they don't care what the Viet Congleton think?

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    lol Chelsea have cancelled their title parade on Sunday. John Terry must be absolutely fuming.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pepe View Post
    What policy would that be?
    The policy of multiculturalism combined with mass immigration under the Lord Blair.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd View Post
    Because they don't care what the Viet Congleton think?
    They should

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    The fifties/sixties immigration did most of the damage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd View Post
    I'd love to know how many politicians who cite 'the vast majority' of Muslims not supporting something actually have any figures to back this up, or are they just projecting their own lazy assumptions, or are they deliberately lying in order to try and dupe us into carrying on with the multicultural consensus that propelled them to where they are? I think the latter.
    The survey here cites some key stuff.

    https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/7...muslims-survey

    Particularly:
    The 615-page survey found that more than 100,000 British Muslims sympathize with suicide bombers and people who commit other terrorist acts. Moreover, only one in three British Muslims (34%) would contact the police if they believed that somebody close to them had become involved with jihadists.
    Surely this is where one needs to start if the ideology is to be stopped.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yevrah View Post
    The survey here cites some key stuff.

    https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/7...muslims-survey

    Particularly:


    Surely this is where one needs to start if the ideology is to be stopped.
    It is, but any attempt to do is would of course be victimising Muslims and, whisper it, Islamophobic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd View Post
    It is, but any attempt to do is would of course be victimising Muslims and, whisper it, Islamophobic.
    But most Muslims disagree with it, so it's fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GS View Post
    The policy of multiculturalism
    What's the policy? Like, what is actually written? Genuinely curious btw.

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    combined with mass immigration under the Lord Blair.
    Was this 'mass immigration' on purpose? As in, did the government tell Muslims that they could apply for, and get, British visas? Or did it just happen?

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    It's a concept rather than a policy. Multiculturalism i.e. there is no indigenous culture and it's all a big free for all in which everyone is free to practise their culture side by side.

    Sounds lovely in theory until you get people wanting to follow sharia, perform honour killings and FGM, and the establishment is intellectually ill-equipped to deal with them.

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    Seeing as its about Manchester, just had an attempted shooting outside my flat. Five shots, car sped off, armed police and detectives have turned up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd View Post
    It's a concept rather than a policy. Multiculturalism i.e. there is no indigenous culture and it's all a big free for all in which everyone is free to practise their culture side by side.
    Do you believe there is an indigenous culture? What is it? Should it be protected? How?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd View Post
    Sounds lovely in theory until you get people wanting to follow sharia, perform honour killings and FGM, and the establishment is intellectually ill-equipped to deal with them.
    None of those are legal though, are they? What else can be done?

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    You can't 'protect' a culture, and you can't force people to integrate. What you can do is not let loads of people in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewis View Post
    You can't 'protect' a culture, and you can't force people to integrate. What you can do is not let loads of people in.
    Goes back to this:

    Quote Originally Posted by Pepe View Post
    Was this 'mass immigration' on purpose? As in, did the government tell Muslims that they could apply for, and get, British visas? Or did it just happen?
    I guess there is always the build a massive wall option. Which reminds me, should I use the money I had set apart for the wall for something else, or is it still happening?

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    Back in the day anyone under/previously under a British flag was entitled to come and live here, because you were a 'British subject' (and then formally a 'Citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies' after 1948); but then people actually started taking us up on it and moving around, which nobody liked, and it was gradually reformed over the sixties and seventies. I don't know whether it was 'on purpose' as such. It was probably just what it was and nobody being that arsed about altering it until - as with all of these things - about ten years too late. Nevertheless, it was down to a small number from the seventies right up until the mid-nineties. More recently I would say that it has been 'on purpose', particularly under the previous Labour government.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Giggles View Post
    You need a 'new page' to top it all off.
    I'd have retired the account if that happened.

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    I've read in a couple of places now that this was an attack on women.

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    Can we not start Hutu'ing it up and just machete the fuck out of the local Islamic communities?

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    An attack like this scares women into submission.

    Alright then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic View Post
    Can we not start Hutu'ing it up and just machete the fuck out of the local Islamic communities?
    You most definitely can. Go for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pepe View Post
    I've read in a couple of places now that this was an attack on women.
    Well it basically was.

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    Toxic masculinity mate. Is it just men, love, or a particular kind of man? Chelsea fans? Short men?

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    "These girls are survivors of an orchestrated attack on girls and girlhood, a massive act of gender-based violence."

    "I can empathize with the survivors of this incident. When I was 13. I was groped on a public train. For years I was afraid to take the train. The experience was not as dramatic as being at a concert when a bomb goes off, killing and injuring dozens of people. But what we all have in common is that we have been the target of an assault simply for being female in a public space."

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    Men don't listen to that singer?

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    It was an attack on paedophiles. No children, no sex.

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    We don't know, but if I were going to speculate as to why an Islamist terrorist has targeted an Ariana Grande concert, I would say that it's because he disapproves of women being able to sing, dance, display their bodies if they want to, have fun, do all the stuff that Ariana Grande (apparently) represents.

    He could have gone for the Hairy Bikers stage show otherwise.

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    Wouldn't he have targeted her directly then?

    Not that it matters.

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    This is a new low.

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    The Gender Studies balls could probably be quite useful if its focus was actually on Islam[ism], since there is clearly a repressed wanking addict aspect to those losers (Theodore Dalrymple is interesting on this), but if they can't bring themselves to delve beyond MEN then fuck their non-subject.

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    He's right though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewis View Post
    The Gender Studies balls could probably be quite useful if its focus was actually on Islam[ism], since there is clearly a repressed wanking addict aspect to those losers (Theodore Dalrymple is interesting on this), but if they can't bring themselves to delve beyond MEN then fuck their non-subject.
    Yeah, there definitely is that element. They're all sad losers who have achieved nothing. They're quite similar to the red pill lot. I suppose they just cling to Islamic fundamentalism instead because that's kind of in their cultural heritage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boydy View Post
    He's right though.
    What?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boydy View Post
    Yeah, there definitely is that element. They're all sad losers who have achieved nothing. They're quite similar to the red pill lot. I suppose they just cling to Islamic fundamentalism instead because that's kind of in their cultural heritage.
    Wasn't your PhD proposal taking a similar approach to IRA recruitment, or have I remembered that wrong?

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    "Hey, we can halt Labour's momentum and all it'll cost is a dozen children."
    "Cheap."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewis View Post
    Wasn't your PhD proposal taking a similar approach to IRA recruitment, or have I remembered that wrong?
    Kinda, yeah. I was looking at both sides as well.

    EDIT: It was less about them being sad losers and more about them seeing/casting themselves in the masculine role of defenders of their communities though.

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    Four Lions does a brilliant job of portraying the type of people that get into terrorism. Very few are intelligent and seriously radicalised, whilst the rest are disenfranchised losers.

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    Four Lions is an absolutely brilliant film, didn't get nearly enough praise at the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd View Post
    Four Lions is an absolutely brilliant film, didn't get nearly enough praise at the time.
    It was part of my course this year and I had no idea how much research Chris Morris had put into it. Its so much more than a comedy.

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    The Americans constantly leaking information from our security services straight to the media is a right fucking mess. It seems we've finally kicked off properly about it, but fucking hell "God Bless America" really is a terrible, terrible country sometimes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Offshore Toon View Post
    Four Lions does a brilliant job of portraying the type of people that get into terrorism. Very few are intelligent and seriously radicalised, whilst the rest are disenfranchised losers.
    The intelligent ones remain or become clerics.

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    One for you, @Lewis

    Fuck the investigation, clearly the best thing is to provide the media with more information for NARRATIVE and DRAMA.



    Such wankers.

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    It does shitloads of harm ffs.

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    Active crime scenes should not be disclosed in such a way. I hate this bullshit approach to media.

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