Can we swap him for Chris Wood or someone
Can we swap him for Chris Wood or someone
I'm a twit
Chris Wood doesn't offer that.
He’s infuriating. The work and set up for that 4th goal is brilliant. But if he could finish we’d have won by 6 or 7.
The lad is quite literally unplayable. The improvement from last year to this is vast.
Originally Posted by Waffdon
Close, just sub out disallowed goals for disallowed penalties.
If Curtis Jones played for Benfica . . .
Really need the Chelsea injury crisis to hit Sterling and silva soon.
If he did he’d not even start for them. Klopp is just a genius.
The man is giving us one more season, surely.
If Curtis could get out of that habit of needing 4 touches every time he gets the ball he'd elevate to a whole new level.
Is there another top footballer who is as technically incompetent as Sterling? I can’t think of a comparison. Total lack of close control, inability to move the ball properly, slow at playing passes. He really is awful.
He was carried by Suarez and Sturridge, when he was still very young, but has never really looked “world class.”
I'm a twit
Are there any other midfielders that scored 26 goals a season on average that were judged on that or just the ones that left Liverpool? He left a decade ago and you still act like Arsenal fans do to Van Persie. At least we can fall back on winning nothing for being gigantic bitches.
Guardiola has done great work in running attacking talent into the ground and then moving them on to London clubs once they're spent.
This is a level of seethe never before known.
No seethe here. Sterling and Jesus were amazing at City. Sterling has fallen off a cliff since and Jesus can barely stay fit. Sold them at the perfect time.
Sold Palmer knowing his performances would mean fuck all too.
Fuck off, Pochettino.
I always thought the best attribute Sterling had was his movement/positioning/whatever you want to call it, which is why he suited City and why he seemed to score the same goal every week like some sort of goal-hanger hanging from wider positions. Expecting him to create and play-make is a bit like when people let Rashford think he can play.
There was one game early in his career, think it was against Bournemouth in the League Cup and he might have scored a hattrick [fact check it was 2] but he played as a 10 or false 9 or whatever you want to call it through the middle and he looked like he might have the ability to be a next level player. Bossed the game and carried a pretty poor maybe injury hit Liverpool side. He was obviously very effective for City, but it always felt like he was never trusted to play a really central role for the team - it was his job to kick it in at the back post etc, and then that sort of became his thing which becomes increasingly less impactful when you aren't playing in a Guardiola team, be it for England or Chelsea.
As an aside, he may not have been the best buy for Chelsea, but he's probably quite far from being the central worry that's grown out of Boehlyball. Most of the players they have signed look absolute shite, and I'm not sure good old time is going to see them get much much better.
Re Nunez, this is from the Sky Sports ticket thing.
Make that 11 shots in the game now for Nunez. This latest one is straight at Petrovic.
This means in his last two games at Anfield in the Premier League, Nunez has had 19 shots to a backdrop of 3.2 worth of expected goals.
He has failed to score in that time. Liverpool have scored eight despite that. Mad.
That MotD stat about him hitting the post/bar 12 times this season, next 'best' a bunch on 4, is mad. Even when he scored the other week it looked more like he'd just fluffed an attempt to hit the post.
Also, last Liverpool player to have 11 shots in a game and not score was Suarez. Keep the faith.
Last edited by niko_cee; 31-01-2024 at 11:11 PM.
Hitting the woodwork isn’t unlucky though. He’s just got absolutely no composure whatsoever.
Another player who will look even worse without klopp’s mad style
I dunno, it is unlucky when you have a good effort saved onto the post. Also, that is quite a big statistical outlier. The penalty and the header not so much. Was it against Chelsea where Haaland scored and, I assume Sanchez, just flapped his wrist at something he really ought to have saved?
Nerds will perpetually try to apply themsleves to football because they want to be involved but they literally don't work because football is a good sport and it'll endlessly frustrate them. Fuck off back to baseball.
He had the United defence (admittedly one anchored by Michael Carrick) all over the place in this match, but between Dave Gayer and his own crap finishing we got an 'LvG' Masterclass.
Bill James was doing his baseball theses in a pork and beans plant in the 1970s because that is what baseball is. Where was the football equivalent? Did Barry Fry surge Peterborough up the leagues because he had the best data? Back then the nerds were sneering at the game. The nerds only came when the money came, specifically the American money, which, unlike oligarch or oil money, exists to make more money, and therefore feels the need to be in control. Control is not a positive state but a negative one. It describes a state in which you have eliminated randomness and risk and God.
Data is control. Eight year contracts are control. Recruitment departments are control. This is just the start. Control breeds more control. The Super League is control. No relegation is control. No unfriendly journos allowed in the ground is control. Netflix propaganda documentaries are control. You must have control: you must eliminate all variables, and neutralise the tyranny of randomness. You must kill God and take His job. You, unlike every other human being who came before you, know what you are doing. You are going to find the secret of man's red fire.
Then Nunez borks one against the post, and you're fucked, because it's a round ball and a square goal and it's not supposed to make sense. There is nothing you can control. Football is undefeated, and will remain so long after the nerds have fucked off back into their offices, something that is probably going to happen a lot sooner than we think.
It would be nice to think that, what with football being a bit boring now, but the nerds appear to have been having more success than the non-nerd outfits in recent years.
On what planet was Nunez given responsibility to take Liverpool's penalty? #KloppOut
It wouldn't have changed the result but Tierney really needs looking at. Daren't give anything against Liverpool all night because he's scared of gurney teeth having a pop at him again on such an emotional night. If he can't handle the fire, especially with VAR to back him up, he needs relegating to the Championship for a bit.
Each of the penalty incidents had the players throwing themselves to the ground, which doesn't help.
Gallagher's was an umpire's call, it looked like he was looking for it because he wasn't getting to the ball, but there was contact. Thought Jota's was soft to give in real time as he also just chucks himself down all the time, but get the feeling VAR would have actually pulled that one back due to the clear stepping on the foot which seems to be one of their major red flags. There's definite contact on the Nkunku one but again he goes down like the Steven Taylor Sniper has picked him off from the crowd and VAR seems desperate not to intervene absent one of its major trigger events [standing on foot, 'going over the ball', incidental ball to hand etc]. Maybe this is the VAR we want, or the best we're going to get, if they can perhaps just get away from trying to look for a 'handball' to rule out Jota's goal and do something about the super marginal offsides.
Tierney is just a straight up bad ref.
This might come back to bite me with the cup final in a few weeks. But, Chelsea are absolute dross incredible that they can spend that much money and still be so bad.
Gallagher hardly throws himself. He’s running through on goal and Van Dijk clips him knee knee on knee. It’s overturned if it’s the other way.
This is the bones of it really. Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.
VAR is stuck because it's a sheer 'judgement call' and the referee had made a bad one. They're then seemingly scared to get onto the headset and tell him he's got it wrong.
Don't think it would be in the new zeitgeist. Ruling on the field would stand either way. Earlier in the season, and for pretty much the entire history of VAR to this point then yes, all penalties.
In fairness to the VAR system, the MotD folk wetting their pants over the Nkunku one doesn't help. If you are setting the 'clear and obvious error' bar at those levels of contact then you are asking for a system which gives random decisions for very little. The Jota one is more tricky as that is also very minor contact, but because you can freeze it on the footstep moment I have a feeling it would have been referred if not given, which leaves you with a bit of a shit situation where different types of pretty incidental contact are treated very differently. Personally, I think it is a marginally better way to do it, but you are sacrificing 'certainty' or whatever and refs will have to get used to actually giving decisions again.
Brav if we dicked them any harder, we would have been done for racially aggravated assault, no one cares if a refereeing decision went one way or another. Also, Chelsea aren't 6th on xPTS (in a secondary pack behind the top 3) for nothing, they're not too bad, we're just fucking sensational.
Don't worry, it's all going to fall apart. At least that's what Waff is telling himself.
Hopefully Klopp is Shankly and the next one is Paisley.
He's won 1 league title in 10 years. I'm not worried whatsoever about City not pissing it to the title.
Unless you mean when Klopp leaves then lol
The funniest thing about Liverpool’s dominance in recent years is that they’ve won the exact same amount of trophies that Chelsea have won in the same period - whilst being a comedy club throughout most of these years.
Let's be realistic here though in that there's probably 115 reasons why Klopp has only won one title rather than three in that period. There's also a hell of a lot of revisionism of just how bad we were when he took over. Just look at the team for his first game and it wasn't as if there were many out for that game either. I think sometimes things have been slightly overegged for him within the media when they have been talking about him the past few days. But, people seem to forget we had qualified for the Champions League once in 6 years before he joined and even that was pretty much on the back of Suarez being incredible.
Since he's been at the club there's only one full season in charge where he hasn't qualified for the Champions League and he's also the only manager in that time who has pushed Guardiola really close in multiple seasons since he took over. He's made mistakes in that period like not rebuilding the midfield sooner but if he had been able to spend what Chelsea, United or Arsenal have spent in the past five years I'm confident he would have won more.
His record in finals is abysmal.
He's clearly a very good manager and unlucky to have been up against Guardiola and his unlimited pot of ill-gotten-gains.
Regardless, it's hilarious that Liverpool have been good for the first time in years and they've still won comparatively fuck all. Couldn't have happened to a more deserving club.
Klopp definitely has been hard done by in regards to the transfer market. Definitely.
I mean they clearly have more spending power than most of the league, but their net spend is vastly behind United, Chelsea, Liverpool, probably even Arsenal.
The problem they have is their transfers in the early part of the Klopp era had an insane hit rate. That's what allowed them to compete/outcompete despite spending less. That hit rate is not sustainable and the bigger budgets will eventually win out.
I think it's a case where the trophy count doesn't really matter, because everyone knows this was a great Liverpool side and will remember watching it. A bit like Brazil '82 or whatever.
That's it with the budget when someone like Keita(who was ok but nothing more) doesn't work out that's it you are fucked because you've put your budget into him even Thiago to a lesser extent because of the injuries as well. With City if Kalvin Phillips doesn't work out it's never mind let's just spend the same amount on a new player the next year. That is the difference in the spending power. Klopp would have never been able to just bomb out Cancelo in the way Guardiola did either because the funds just wouldn't be there to replace a player who cost as much as him and didn't work out.
Trying to underplay our glory and his achievements
Get back in the fucking swamp please.
Second fewest games to 200 wins ever in the PL, you'll never sing that.
This was the season we were meant to be finished too. Which reddit page came up with that, I need a wank.
That's always been the case, Dortmund were the same. More about the journey with Klopp and not the destination, as I believe is the clichéd parlance of the times. Should have been about 5 up at half time against Sevilla, fucked it up. Not sure they were the better side in any of the finals they've actually won, took a lucky/harsh early penalty to see off the Spuds, who felt like they dominated the game, and neither of the Chelsea finals were convincing. The Madrid ones were a bit meh, first they played pretty well but losing Salah and having someone in goal who would go on to pretty much never play for anyone ever again proved insurmountable. Madcap attacking football, which is what Klopp brings, has never really been the way to get ahead in any sport. It's always about the defence and the control, which they had for the season they managed to win the league.
A mind boggling stat is the Classic Klopp XI of Alisson, Trent, Matip, Virgil, Robertson, Fabinho, Henderson, Wijnaldum, Salah, Firmino and Mane only ever started 1 game as such.
That game was the CL final against Spurs. That final was shite because Firmino and Kane were both rushed back from injury too early to play and both were terrible. It was also put some 3 weeks after the season had ended so nobody was properly match sharp. Liverpool scoring very early was the worst thing for the game too. They just sat back and let Spurs come at them and they didn't really do much.
The first Madrid loss was a shame. We turned up to that very much the underdogs to that Madrid team and up until Benzema scored we'd kind of smacked them in the mouth. Adam Lallana being the Salah replacement also just wasnt it.
Can't do a lot about the second one though. Dominated most of the game, but Courtois just wasn't having it.
I don't quite think we get the big fairy tale ending this year either, but knocking in a cup competition or two would be a fitting send off.
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