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    There don't seem to be many matches these days that aren't directly related to the feud. In the olden days you would have just had Seth Rollin[g]s against Rusev (or whoever) as the main event, and then Dea Nambrose would come down, cost Rollin[g]s the match in some way (making the opponent look good), and then stick his finisher on him to close the programme.

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    They did it twice on the same show, there was no way Miz was going to end his (according to JBL 'neverending') title run on normal tv so it was only ever going to be Miz winning via a cheaty finish

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    They love their tropes. Champions losing non-title matches and everyone completely forgetting about their opponent when entrance music hits are their greatest hits.

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    Referees made of paper.

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    Starting three hour flagship shows without a main event, but a coincidental scrap breaking out to allow one to be booked.

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    Opening every wrestling programme with an appearance from one or both authority figures because by hell we can't let the wrestlers overshadow the real talent (named McMahon).

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    I've always liked the inability to pay attention to crowd noise that signals an imminent intervention.

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    It seriously damages my ability to concentrate when they put heel/face tag teams in the wrong corners.

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    @Disco The amazing thing looking back at the "glory years" is that every fucking big match relied upon the referee being knocked spark out. Thank fuck they had the talent to prop it up because these old Raws deserved to be as shit as the current ones are if you base it on the booking.

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    I'd agree with that, the glory years are glorious because of the talent on show and because that talent was (most of the time) able to shine through the booking and questionable storylines. There's a lot wrong with some of what they were doing (good lord I cringe so much at anything Lawler says when there's a woman on screen) but they at least let the wrestlers express themselves and allowed plenty of them to be their own character. Listen to someone like Stone Cold talk about Paul Heyman and how he used what he learned from him in the WWF, that shit doesn't seem to happen these days when a lot of what people are saying feels like it's written by the same person.

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    Also The Worm, that was pretty great.

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    Didn't Vince McMahon say in the Stone Cold podcast that the rasslers themselves are less willing to take a chance these days (presumably because twenty years ago they had actual options, where as now they have TNA)? People seem to neglect that as a consideration when they're blaming the OUT OF TOUCH OLD MAN for all the problems.

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    I wasn't looking forward to Smackdown's PPV a couple of weeks ago and it was pretty good. I was looking forward to RAW's and it was shit. Smackdown 1-0 RAW.

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    Just started watching this and one thing that I noticed was Hulk Hogan being included in a WWE video package, voice only but they're clearly trying to slowly the work the old racist back in.

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    Raw General Manager?

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    They're seeing how much they can take the piss with the Tom-spiracy now, this is ridiculous.


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    The worst one was him interviewing Perkins. He's a fucking cruiserweight!

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    Of the 7 Superstars who lost title matches at the PPV (2 in the women's, 2 in the tag, Universal, US, Cruiserweight) 5 of them have been given rematches and I'm only half way through RAW. Still time for Rollins to be handed one. What a fucking waste of a PPV, especially considering these rematches are on RAW and within 2 weeks.

    Also, "Sasha Wanks" might be the worst insult in WWE history.

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    Are there any decent WWE documentaries out there?

    I've got 'The Rise and Fall of ECW' and one about Stone Cold, but just putting the feelers out. It'd be great to have a proper series showing the history of it all. That'd be awesome.

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    Raw was fucking crap. And agreed about all the rematches. Totally ruins any of the prestige PPVs are supposed to have.

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    Beyond the Mat is the famous one from the late 90's. More to do with personal stories and wrestlers than a history of the business. The only series I can think of is the Monday Night Wars one they did bit I've no idea how good it is.

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    It's pretty decent to start with but I found it started to get repetitive towards the end. They should have just done a time line rather than episodes dedicated to one superstar/storyline.

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    There's the one about the history of Wrestlemania that's alright, but obviously all the in-house stuff is largely fluff about how great every idea was.

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    His parents are still two of the most bizarre looking people I've ever seen, but Miz is the best thing in WWE right now.

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    Smackdown was good. Miz v Ziggler has got me interested.

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    Has Dribble H reappeared anywhere since his intervention? They really need to actually do something with that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Disco View Post
    Has Dribble H reappeared anywhere since his intervention? They really need to actually do something with that.
    Yea he got in a car with Stephanie! Dramatic I know.

    It really is a shit story to waste KO on.

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    They're presumably slowly building to a Trips v Rollings Wrestlemania match, but don't know what to do in the meantime.

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    I just watched some WM17 at random. I'd totally forgotten JR shouting "Lita jerking Edge off" as she pulled him off the ladder. Might be my favorite commentary line of all time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SvN View Post
    Smackdown was good. Miz v Ziggler has got me interested.
    That whole segment was pretty good. Ziggler's speech was good and Miz's expression in response was great. It feels like it can only be setting up one result so some sort of surprise would be great.

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    I'm not sure on the result of that one. I could see Ziggler going, but if he is, no idea why he main evented a top 4 PPV right before it.

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    Unless it's one of those retirements where he comes out of the crowd to beat up Miz rather than running down the ramp. I'm not sure how I'd feel about Miz losing the title, he's been brilliant with it so far and I don't think his gimmick works as well without a belt. I'll predict a non-finish due to them booking themselves into a corner.

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    I suspect a non-finish too. Didn't Ziggler recently-ish sign a new deal that kept him there for a few years?

    I dunno what they'd do with Miz if he lost the belt (well, I do, they'd ruin what they've done) so I hope he keeps it but Ziggler has been doing better recently.

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    I don't think it'll be a non-finish either way. I wouldn't be surprised if Ziggler is finishing up, but similarly I wouldn't be surprised if they gave him the belt for a bit and then had Miz win it back.

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    You may have a point, and given this Bryan/Miz stuff they maybe have Miz cheat to win and then Bryan come out and give it the THIS MATCH IS BEING RESTARTED!!1 treatment and Ziggler takes it.

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    Setting up a 'not in the face' match between Miz and Bryan.

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    Jamie Noble is in critical condition after being stabbed twice outside his home. Fucking hell.

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    He lives in a trailer park in real life. I love that.

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    If you're on tour all the time, why shift?

    On a lighter note, OSW's new one is out. I'm kinda hoping they ride the WCW train all the way to covering the nWo.

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    Del Rio has been stabbed too, which is a pretty good reason for the no-show the internet was slagging him off for. Doesn't live in a caravan though, sadly.

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    Probably Paige just getting even from another domestic.

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    So I'm at the point in my trawl through the network where the Nexus have debuted and Barrett is feuding Cena.

    He appears to have stepped straight into the main event, looked the part and then just been sent back down the card for no real reason.

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    Well, Cena really needed that push.

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    Cena, Styles and Ambrose jerking the curtain tonight.

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    Just read that, the article speculated that it's to avoid a clash with the debate. Madness. Miz/Ziggler to close the show?

    Also I've just watched Sheamus/Morrison ladder match from TLC 2010. Must be one of the better ladder matches WWE has had. Mostly because it was an actual match, not the bones of one draped around a bunch of spots that are barely related to each other. Really good.

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    I seem to recall Jericho Vs Michaels being a brilliant ladder match, but not seen it since the event.

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    You would of thought they opened up with Miz-Ziggler?

    Opening with the triple threat is lol really.

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    If the second debate is on at the same time it'll be because their ratings were in the toilet up against the first one.

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    They'll put Ziggler's retirement on as the main event.

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