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    Hamilton's making no progress at the back.

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    RIP Perez.

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    Another race of Russell just driving on his own for 95% of the race it seems

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    Ferrari using plan A for once.

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    Hamilton gaining reasonably but nothing like Sainz.
    Him up against Max would have been great today.

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    This is in danger of becoming a complete snooze.

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    Ferrari down to plan C. Two stopper, probably.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Giggles View Post
    This is in danger of becoming a complete snooze.
    Already is. As is most races unfortunately

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    Sainz putting his foot through the floor before the pit.

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    Race set, it seems.

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    Pretty much. I do wonder if Perez's tyres could give Hamilton a shot but it's probably too much ground to make up.

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    Red Bull obviously got bored. There was no way Hamilton caught him.

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    I would've been shitting it over punctures.

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    Oh look, more excuses to bring up Abu Dhabi.

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    De Vries

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gray Fox View Post
    Oh look, more excuses to bring up Abu Dhabi.
    It’s surpassed Maradona ‘86 at this sage. Easily.

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    Get him in that Alpine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shindig View Post
    Get him in that Alpine.
    Has he any chance of taking over from Hamilton or is the future elsewhere?

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    Ah the booing is ok this week according to Sky, fans are just frustrated. That’s a fair swing from the pearl clutching a few races ago, hard to keep up.

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    I feel like if Mercedes really rated him, he would've been in a seat years ago.

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    Half the grid has had the chance to take De Vries and no-one has, he's decent but that's it. Alpine are taking Gasly if Red Bull can get a licence for Colton Herta or they might bring Doohan up from F2.

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    Didn't realise they'd actually put the safety car out in the wrong place, wondered why it seemed to take forever for anyone to actually be behind it.

    I know it's never going to change, but I think the specific circumstances surrounding the Jules Bianchi thing, which has precipitated this ABSOLUTELY NO MARSHALS OR TRUCKS ON A LIVE TRACK policy, have sort of been forgotten. The conditions were apocalyptic. There are far too many safety cars now. They probably need to think about completely overhauling the way accidents are cleared. Perhaps they were onto something with red flag mania last season

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    If they feel a safety car is the best thing then so be it. What they shouldn't be let happen is pitting under the safety car. It takes away so much potential jeopardy because as soon as there is a safety car everyone comes in for obvious reasons.

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    Pitting also extends the safety car period out because it takes longer for them to form up.

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    The biggest tension in F1 probably since Imola 94 or even before has been the tension between safety and spectacle (a tension that didn't exist back in the dangerous days). The fact that we've needed DRS, constant safety cars and comedy tyres to make the races good since about 2000 is testament to that.

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    Should have been a red flag in retrospect. The car was in a very unsafe place really. Even behind a safety car all it takes is a tyre blowout (which Pirelli are known for) and there’s complete carnage.

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    Why not just red flag everything? Grid starts = more jeopardy too. Bin off the VSC too.

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    This has got to be the end for Latifi, hasn't it? I get that he brings in the cash but wasn't Dorliton supposed to be the answer in that regard? The fact that de Vries walked into that situation for FP3 and soundly beat the regular driver just tells you everything.

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    Him and Stroll are the two most arrogant cunts going when you watch any F1 video as well. Thought Canadians were nice.

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    It's pretty difficult to be a billionaire without being at least a bit of a cunt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clunge View Post
    Why not just red flag everything? Grid starts = more jeopardy too. Bin off the VSC too.
    They'd have to start the races at 10 in the morning to get through most of them in daylight hours.

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    Make the drivers stop wherever they are out on track and then go again when it's been cleared.

    Also, on the grid penalties, I've decided on a 1-race ban for the driver instead of grid penalties of 10+ places. Instead of a 5-place penalty, you start a lap down. Fresh tactical dimension.
    Last edited by Jimmy Floyd; 12-09-2022 at 03:34 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd View Post
    Make the drivers stop wherever they are out on track and then go again when it's been cleared.
    I imagine that the brakes of some cars would become very unresponsive in such a scenario.

    CART managed the yellow flag/safety cars situation just fine decades ago. F1 was and still is light years behind in comparison.

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    The old way in F1 was red flag and then start the race again with aggregate times counting. Bring that back.

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    Respiratory failure for Albon after having his appendix out.
    He’s okay now but I reckon he may miss another race or two.

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    Aggregated timing

    I liked how, no matter what regulations have been put in place (the Bianchi accident was as much down to the culture of ignoring yellow flags as it was about vehicles inside the barrier) we still had three or four Italian marshalls standing between the car and the barrier shrugging to each other while the field went at racing speed to catch up to the pack. Part of the problem is that the FIA/F1 want things to happen that the technical regs don't support. You can't do a NASCAR and stop everyone on track because the cars need twelve mechanics to stop them dissolving or whatever. The only real option to avoid finishing under a safety car (which isn't the outrage that it seems to have been made out as) is to send them all back to the pits and then restart again but it's a bigger disruption and an awful lot of faffing about while Luigi and Mario push a car back behind the barrier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gray Fox View Post
    Respiratory failure for Albon after having his appendix out.
    He’s okay now but I reckon he may miss another race or two.
    I think he'd have missed the next one or two even if he hadn't.

    It's tough 3-4 weeks to recover from having your appendix out.

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    Visibility must've been shit for Bianchi, to be fair. The weather was rotten.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Andy Mahowry View Post
    I think he'd have missed the next one or two even if he hadn't.

    It's tough 3-4 weeks to recover from having your appendix out.
    Capito seemed convinced he’d be back for Singapore so don’t know what he was smoking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ben View Post
    Should have been a red flag in retrospect. The car was in a very unsafe place really. Even behind a safety car all it takes is a tyre blowout (which Pirelli are known for) and there’s complete carnage.
    I don't know about that. The red flag seems to get thrown all the time nowadays and it really would have felt gimmicky if they did it there. It's not as if you're rattling through the Lesmos at top speed putting pressure on the tyres.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thommo View Post
    I don't know about that. The red flag seems to get thrown all the time nowadays and it really would have felt gimmicky if they did it there. It's not as if you're rattling through the Lesmos at top speed putting pressure on the tyres.
    I agree to an extent regarding red flags but I feel this was warranted for purely safety reasons (Max would have won anyway so whatever on the spectacle). Having a car on the inside of the track between the two Lesmo corners is pretty dangerous. The stricken car is completely blind until you've exited Lesmo 1. If he was half way down the pit straight it would be different because you can see the danger area a mile back.

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    It was on the cards, even more so after the performance from de Vries in Monza. Along with the announcement yesterday that Yuki is staying at AlphaTauri for another year, we're slowly seeing the grid take shape for 2023.

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    One Canadian down, one to go. Never gonna happen though.

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    Where are Williams finding his money from?

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    The new-ish owners probably have some hooks elsewhere.

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    Seems there’s a rumour going around the paddock that the FIA are about to announce Aston Martin and Red Bull went over the salary cap last year.
    I could see Mercedes going nuclear if that turns out to be true.

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    Well Masi must have been well-paid (lololololol!)

    You should get done constructors' points for that really, as without a cost cap there's not really a sport in its current guise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd View Post
    Well Masi must have been well-paid (lololololol!)

    You should get done constructors' points for that really, as without a cost cap there's not really a sport in its current guise.
    From what I can gather, the penalty is probably going to be a significant reduction in next season's budget cap for the team(s) in question.

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    And then they'll just break it again. Lol at Aston Martin doing so and getting far worse, I suppose.

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