If a single office building was the culmination of some incredibly powerful king's reign and he poured more money into it than any other building in the history of his civilization, then fuck yeah I'd think it was pretty cool.Originally Posted by Shindig
Like that place Apple are building then.
That thing is fucking terrifying.
Yeah, exactly. Shit like that is the modern equivalent
What times to be alive.
They've caught him.
Should that be shot him?
At the time it was caught.
The only way justice could've been better served is if one of the 20 cop cars ran him down.
We need to be catching more alive really.
The power they could have in stopping young people doing the same if we could catch them and turn them would be huge.
What, because you would let them out after three years to tour schools?
No, it wouldn't. They'd be denounced as traitors and the rest of them would carry on. The best thing to do is to take them out and deprive them of a public platform for their shite.
Three? Try thirty and seriously supervised even then.
We're stuck with this, it's here for the long term and it's only going to get worse. Radical solutions are needed.
I think somebody who has actually done it, denouncing their actions when they truly mean that is going to carry a lot more weight than Hazel Blears fronting up Prevent.
Pie in the Sky that we'd ever get to that situation perhaps, but we sure as shit won't if they're all dead.
Former gang members are better at keeping people out of gangs than the police ever could be, and in many ways this lot are basically a gang, so it's definitely worth exploring.
It's unlikely to actually work given the divine promises they're acting in pursuit of, but nothing else seems to be working.
That's what I was thinking. They would still have to serve life sentences, so then your offer to the idiots contemplating it is basically what it is now.
Fucking hell.
I was watching this earlier, which I missed at the time.
When Murray (who I'm increasingly become bored of as he has no actual proposed solutions) cites the "John Lennon" response, he hits the nail on the head. We've seen it in Barcelona again this week and it's literally all we have.
"Hey, kids. Che Guevara was bad news. STOP BUYING THE T-SHIRTS!"
Murray's point remains relevant, though. It's a problem which, if not created, has been massively exacerbated by a refusal to confront some basic uncomfortable truths. One need only look at the reaction to the migrant crisis to see that. Critical thinking ceases in the rush to be seen as the 'most compassionate' or 'most tolerating'.
Calling it hate is a bad start. Islamophobia doesn't have to be a blanket statement. You've got a right to fear the extremist elements. Much like how you can fear the cross-burning Christians of the Klan. We need to get more moderate figureheads on TV as well. Rather than just one popping up with a soundbite. We gave Hamza and Chowdry way too much TV time in the past.
You always say this. Which ones?
We literally caused the migrant crisis. Not Germany, France, Italy, Greece. We did and the US did. The idea that they shouldn't have been let in is ridiculous. It's not about compassion. It's about us fucking up and paying for it.
I proposed one upthread.
It's this sort of risible stupidity that gets us where we are.
We created a non state on the Syrian border. Locked up all the top top nutters in the same prison where ISIS was formulated, let them escape and then funded rebel groups that were aligned with ISIS but against Assad. It is quite literally our creation.
We really are fucked if this is the extent of critical thinking the populace at large can engage in.
What a strong takedown of the argument. That's me sussed. ISIS just popped into existence out of nowhere, no-one could have seen it coming.
No, you're just an idiot who's swallowed the anti Western line prevalent on "social media".
What's your pro-western line? This was entirely unavoidable because they're savages?
Catch them and turn them? That's your big solution?I proposed one upthread.
How do you turn them?
Nothing a stern beating wouldn't see to, presumably.
This is the same plebtastic response we get from Bruh and Mert any time someone questions guns in America.
You don't need to propose a full solution of your own to acknowledge that what we're doing now isn't working.
While I do believe it's a good idea (and one that does exist today to a certain extent) I wouldn't trust any of the high level nutters to be in a room with anyone and if we did ever arrest them they should be serving solitary confinement for the rest of their lives.
I would like to see more of them arrested and face trial rather than shot as it leads to martyrdom but I can understand the reticence of approaching these people rather than acting with force.
The 'Migrant Crisis' is more to do with Libya than Syria, since Syrians are actual refugees; but yeah that was us (don't let loser France off the hook).
If we're including Libya then yeah, France goes in the 'get fucked and deal with it' section. I can't believe you've been sucked in by anti-Western propaganda via 'social media' though Lewis. How the mighty have fallen.
Who does though? Look at the shit he gets for suggesting less Islam might be a start. You can't even have the conversation with most people without being labelled a hate monger.
What the fuck does less Islam mean? Of course you're going to be called a hate monger if that's your starting point.
Chill out. You mong more hate in general than most people on this planet
How about at least slowing the rate of migration into this continent from backward (Islamic in this instance) cultures. How many migrants from the likes of sub-Saharan Africa have come to Europe?
If wanting less Islam is 'hate' then the only way forward is to allow the same rate or more, otherwise it's wrongthink?
So you don't mean less Islam as in limiting the practice of Islam. You mean less people who believe in the Islamic religion. Just generally. Not Sallafist Islam, or Wahhabist, just Islam? And it's immigrants, mainly from Somalia, not those born in the country that are the cause of it? (despite obvious evidence to the contrary)
I'm just trying to understand where you stand based on your entire belief system of how to fix this being described in two words. One of them being a religion practiced by over 1.5 billion people.
Let less people from 'Islam' come in so that the ones born in Europe stop doing bad things. What's so hard to understand?
We should put restrictions on people born in Islam.
I watched SummerIslam last night, do I have to leave?
Our civil service is such shit these days we'd end up putting a blockade on Iceland instead.
The level of understanding shown here Islamentable.
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