How on brand for Bamster to be on top of that sort of news.
How on brand for Bamster to be on top of that sort of news.
Bill Kenwright
Matthew Perry
How on brand for Phonics to be on top of that sort of news.
Ah, the Whitney Houston special. Drugs and bathtubs are a powerful tag team.
Nice to see this has taken over my social media in place of Palestine well-wishes.
RIP Chandler Bing.
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El Tel apparently
Damn you, long illness!
Ooofff that's a biggie.
If you asked me to guess his age yesterday I wouldn't have had him down as being as old as 80. I don't know why. Now I've read it and I think about it of course he was. He just never registered as "old" in my head.
I think for our generation that summer of 1996 will always be a very definitive memory, it was a massively likeable group and he was certainly a big part of that. I regularly forget that we had him at Leeds for a spell later on.
He was a first class twat and a shit England manager.
Originally Posted by niko_cee
Seems a tad harsh, care to explain your assessment?
Who’s been the best England manager in our lifetime?
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Obviously Southgate.
Allardyce.
Hoddle.
I barely remember Italia 90 so Sir Bobby gets in.
It’s a tremendously low bar but it’s got to be Southgate.
I don't. Wrongly, but synonymous with our decline.
A bit of respect for the christmas tree please.
His version of 'If I Can Dream' was made for the anti-racist football moment (subsequently a sad casualty of the situation in the Middle East), but they just didn't fancy it. As for Euro 96, didn't we play well once and let Germany beat us with their two best midfielders at home in a sulk? I suppose that means Gareth Southgate is the best by default.
My mind always seems to sort of skip over the season and jump straight to the relegation season.
I'm just having a look at the squad Venables inherited though, obviously the downward slide had begun it was too good to crash and burn to 15th like it did. There was still a lot of quality in there.
I'd forgotten all about the signing of Paul Okon.
It's a bit mad when you think Toshack, Venables and Robson had British managers looking like the cream of the crop and now the highlight of British managers abroad was David Moyes eating some fans crisps after getting sent off.
He was obsessed with picking Spurs players, and he was a crook, and generally came across as a massive 'proper football man' bellend, but lacking the lovable roguishness of a Redknapp.
Who did he pick that he shouldnt have from Spurs?
From the Euro 96 squad I recall he had Anderson and Sheringham in there.
Yeah, those two, although not specifically the Euro 96 squad.
England we absolutely awful in that tournament anyway. Switzerland game an embarrassment. Needed Gary Mac fluffing a pen in the next. One good game against Holland and then one of the greatest muggings in modern football history against Spain before toileting out against Germany. What a time to be alive.
Edit - obviously Anderton, for clarity.
Last edited by niko_cee; 26-11-2023 at 10:48 PM.
I remember beingnl amazed at how much the collective Euro 96 version of events in our heads was just nostalgia and vibes when ITV sh9wed all the games when Euro 2020 got delayed in lockdown.
Make a substitution, Venables, you twat.
Don't you remember the 90s, Ian? Cool Britannia. Liam Gallagher. The Big Breakfast; Football Italia; the Rwandan genocide. It was the time of our lives.
I was sceptical of Venables at the time and he was clearly overrated, but as Ian says watching Euro 96 re-runs was even more illuminating. And Southgate is the best England manager since Alf.
Better than Bobby Robson?
Rankings in my time (i.e. since Venables):
Southgate (still shit)
Sven
Hoddle
Venables
Roy
Keeeeeeeg'n
Capello
Sam
Steve
Big Sam has a 100% win rate and likely got a massive pay off. He's on a different level to the rest.
Allardyce (a single game, an injury time winner against Slovakia) above McClaren.
Wasn't Alf Ramsay pretty much the anti-football of his time?
Maybe England have never had a good manager, or it isn't really possible to be a 'good' international manager in the more accepted terms of what it takes to be one [club terms] other than by winning something. Perhaps Bobby Robson the only good one in living memory.
Both provided gallows entertainment in their spells but I can't forgive McClaren for that defeat to a dreadful Russian outfit which cost us qualification for the big show in the land of Nazi gold.
It's definitely difficult because you can't go out and buy someone better, you've got what you've got. It's a lot easier to stifle a golden generation (or two, in our case) than haul a bunch of misfits to something special like Otto Rehhagel.
If you're letting Allardyce on that list, Howard Wilkinson's beating McClaren for bottom boy.
Peter Taylor too. Made Beckham captain, didn't he? More notable than anything McLaren did.
I suppose you could make an argument for Robson being better than Southgate, but exactly the same issues plagued us in that we couldn't step it up when playing a very good team, Bobby had bloody good players to build a team around as well and we didn't make a final under him. My sense is that the opposition was nowhere near as weak as it is now mind.
And that's all a bit fence sitty as I didn't really start watching football properly until Italia 90, so I'm not in a position to judge fully.
My footballing memory starts at Euro 96, it was the best tournament ever, our players were the best players ever and we'll hear no more about it. Facts are facts rose tinted or otherwise tyvm.
My earliest vivid memory is Baggio blasting the penalty over the bar at USA 94.
We probably shouldn't have made any finals on the basis that Argentina and West Germany were just better, but weren't we terrible in both World Cups until those knock-outs? The less said about the 1988 tournament the better. People remember Marco van Basten doing us over, but we lost to Ireland with eleven better players.
We were shit against Belgium and Cameroon should have beaten us too.
No mourning for Sticky Vicky in here?
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Serial war criminal Henry Kissinger finally fucking dead.
Just one example of his war crimes.. https://theconversation.com/henry-ki...r-rouge-209353
Last edited by John Arne; 30-11-2023 at 03:29 AM.
Finally a good one, what an awful cunt.
The vaxx claims another.
One of those rare days where you hope hell is real.
I always thought Henry Kissinger was an actor.
Lit some candles under the 8ft canvas of him in my bathroom this morning. Sad day.
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