Seeing as they'd have 2 shots on the black it'd be pretty much a default loss anyway, although there is always scope to fuck things up.
Yes.Originally Posted by Boydy
I sort of understand what James is getting at, but I guess the rule derives mainly from the game ending nature of the foul and the fact that pub tables don't give you the ball back. Interestingly, if you manage to get the black to leave the table it gets put back on its spot. Obviously a fairly unusual occurrence.
Pool tables definitely aren't a thing in 2021.
Yeah, it's definitely a dying thing.
Not necessarily. Pool as a game hasn't helped itself by having a million different rules floating about. The version I like to play doesn't have two shots carrying, for example.
I think SvN meant me missed the black and potted the white rather than potting them both.
He did indeed.
And the latter has indeed always been a loss.
There are basically two [UK] rule sets I believe. Old rules (with 2 shots carrying etc) and new rules, where they don't, you always have to pot or a ball has to touch a cushion, deliberate fouls are allowed, but you get ball in hand etc
Pool is a stupid and badly-designed game, hence the many stupid rule variations which try to account for how bad a game it is even though the basics (pot balls with a cue) are fun.
There needs to be six-red snooker everywhere on little tables instead.
9 ball is the king of all these games.
Two shots should carry. It's not a proper punishment for fouling otherwise.
Ball in hand (behind the line) and one free shot works for me. Two shots carry is too much of a punishment for my mind. When I was good years ago, one foul from whoever I was playing was enough to clear up more often than not.
Please explain re pool.
Do you really need an explanation? It’s right up there with the most jimmy opinions of all time.
I think the having to touch a cushion is a good rule, along with ball in hand rather than shots carrying with fouls.
I think Jimmy has a SLIGHT point in that I think the mechanics of the game do creak a bit when it's actually really good people playing, mostly because it is really easy relative to other games, and that makes balancing quite difficult I think. It's not a problem at my level though.
Having one ball at the end being far more valuable than all the play that happens before that is nonsense, when the two players are playing independent sets of balls. 9 ball is a much better game as each ball in turn has a higher value than the last, and both players are playing the same ball which allows far more options in terms of potting/safety etc and playing your opponent as well as the balls.
On that note, it does make me laugh when playing casually on a night out hearing things like "you're doing well, you've potted 5 more of yours than he has of his".
Turns out I don't know the rules to pool cos I've no idea what some of these posts are saying.
I'm a twit
All the lads playing pool and having a laugh at the TTH Meet, Floyd reading the menu and muttering 'I thought... Yeah, I thought it was a Greene King' to himself.
I never play the cushion rule tbh. Prefer not to play two shot carry or not playing backwards on a foul, definitely nothing on nominating where you're potting the black.
Is Killer better on a pool table or a snooker table?
I've never understood why the not playing backwards after a foul rule ever existed. The rationale is unfathomable to me.
For the vast majority of people, a pool table, 100%.
What actually happens is I play, use a snooker bridge (because why the fuck do people thread the cue through some weird finger loop), clean up and everyone has a miserable time.
Surely it's borderline impossible on a full size snooker table? Probably more just though.
It doesn't exist, which is probably why it is unfathomable.
In pool, what ruling do you guys have when the black is potted off the break? Re-rack?
Yep.
Bridges should be illegal. If you can't make a shot you shouldn't be playing or even in a pub with a pool table to begin with.
Do you mean rests?
Always lol a bit when one comes out on a pool table. Apparently it is legit but I don't know.
Win if it’s only the black.
I played against a randomer in the pub a bit ago and he tried to claim victory after potting the black off the break. I consider myself to know almost any permutation of the rules of pool (I've heard of most of them stated in this thread) but this was a new one on me.
The best way to approach pool is to agree on the basic rules beforehand.
Yep, that's what I always do. And I've come across that approach to potting the black off the break, it can die in a fire.
I didn't realise there were so many pool players here. We should organise a little competition.
Spots vs stripes. 8 ball last. First one to pot it wins (as long as the white doesn't go in too).
Anything else can fuck off.
Having to always hit a cushion after a ball is a load of bollocks of a rule too. I’d rather just keep my 2 quid if I’m somewhere they’re at that.
TTH 25th Anniversary Trophy?
I've never come across anyone claiming the black off the break to be a win, but then I play with players who are better than me for the most part. My fondest lol break memory was doing a terrible foul break where they barely split and I sank the white, their guy uses the first of his two to effectively re-break and pots the black. And then the desperate search for the "it was a re-rack" began from their team. No sir-ee.
You can pot as well, but yeah, I would say new rules are good, but the people that tend to play them are either way too serious or way too good (or both) for it to be fun to play those rules sadly. No laying up though is brilliant. God I g=hate the tippy-tappy shite.
It's one of those rules that shouldn't be needed, but it stops people playing like Mark Selby on a pool table (Mark Selby the snooker player I should add, not pool player as I understand he was quite attacking then), so I'm all for it.
I don’t mind having to hit a cushion but it’s when it has to be after contacting then it’s shit. If you do something like going off two cushions to land on a ball and it’s a foul the premises should be burnt to the ground.
It doesn't apply if you're snookered.
It should never apply. Thankfully it’s a rarity here, for some reason you find it mostly in oddball places that use solids and stripes instead of reds and yellows.
Playing the white off the cushion satisfies the 'a ball needs to hit a cushion rule' as far as I know. It's just there to stop the lay-up behind a ball shit which infests low tier competitive play.
It only came in because arse holes were just tucking up behind their own balls over and over again, to draw a foul or advantage.
I had no idea that was a rule, but I'm glad it is. There's nothing worse than some bellend that thinks they're clever just snookering non-stop.
I could be wrong as I stopped playing in the league here before it came in, but I think it's the object ball that has to hit a cushion or go in, unless you're snookered.
I don't play new rules so I don't really know, this extract from the new rules where I play suggests a little from column A and a little from column B.
G. Legal Shot
On all shots, the player must:-
Cause the Cue Ball's initial contact with a ball to be with a ball "On",
AND THEN
Pot a ball "On" OR Cause the Cue Ball or any Object Ball to contact a cushion.
Failure to play a Legal Shot is a Standard Foul.
Exceptions:
On the Break, the conditions of a Legal Shot do not apply. (see (F) The Break)
When playing out of a Total Snooker a player is only obliged to meet the conditions of (1)(a) above. (see (Q) Total Snookers).
So 3 cushion lay-up escapes as OK, but dinking a snooker off the cushion into a ball isn't, which seems a decent set-up.
Yep, that all makes sense.
All this pool talk is just reminding me I can't fit one of those pool dining tables jobbies in my new house.
Pool table at home is best kept as a remote an unattainable dream, imo.
I have done it a few times, working on a pot red/pot colour system where all players are handed a colour out of a hat (usually corresponding to a playing card value, to make it more complicated when pissed) to be kept secret. If you pot your own colour when all reds are cleared you win, if your colour has gone you need to help clear the table to reset it for another chance.
The best pool tactic, for reds v yellows, is surely to just cover pockets with your own balls without actually potting them, leaving yourself with easy finishes and making life hard for your opponent. That's what I was told when I was stuck in the pub as a child when my ma couldn't get a babysitter anyway.
This is the Law of the land down here.
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