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    I think Boris Johnson should conduct all government business from his settee from now on. It suits him.

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    Despite everything else, it is nice to see neoliberalism collapsing in real time. Whatever comes next, it will be different.

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    It's concerning 40% of our tests these days are turning positive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Henry View Post
    Despite everything else, it is nice to see neoliberalism collapsing in real time. Whatever comes next, it will be different.
    Over/under on it being worse?

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    That happens when you don't do a lot of testing though, no? You're prioritizing patients that show symptoms that could be due to covid, of course the rate is going to be high.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shindig View Post
    It's concerning 40% of our tests these days are turning positive.
    I'm surprised it's not higher given who we're testing.

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    Now that I think about it, it's bound to be higher because you're coming to the end of the usual cold and flu season. So symptoms are more likely to be Covid.

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    A news story in the British Medical Journal has appeared suggesting that four out of five cases of Covid-19 in China may be asymptomatic.

    The story is based on figures released by Chinese authorities on Wednesday that revealed that of the 166 new infections identified in the preceding 24 hours, 130 people showed no signs of the disease.

    Tom Jefferson, an epidemiologist and honorary research fellow at the Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine at the University of Oxford, told the BMJ that while the sample was small it might have important implications, not least since it could mean that the virus had been circulating for longer than thought and that a huge proportion of the population had already been exposed.

    He said:

    If – and I stress, if – the results are representative, then we have to ask, ‘What the hell are we locking down for?’

    But others have pushed back against the remarks. Among them, Dr Bharat Pankhania, senior clinical lecturer at the University of Exeter, who said that, while many people may have encountered the disease and been unaware of it, low rates of hospital admissions in several parts of the country suggested infection was not widespread and that lockdown therefore remained important. He said:

    The lockdown is only [doing] one thing, which is to stop a surge of cases so that the trickle that are created are able to be safely treated in hospital and their lives saved.

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    Mr. Jefferson, welcome to the party, sir.

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    Widespread testing in Iceland showed rates of about 50% asymptomatic infection, IIRC.

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    Yeah but that's Iceland, innit. They probs priced out COVID-19 from entering.

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    They’re not even counting the amount of nurses that die, just the doctors. Jesus.

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    France have probably learned of John Arne's cup and are gradually adding the care home deaths. Good strat.

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    Round 1 Results.
    Also, quick note, small error in the original bottom right bracket. Switzerland were listed instead of Netherlands. Now fixed.


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    Run the scoring system by me again, you don.

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    Have the UK updated their requirement/recommendations on masks yet? Or, is their simply not enough for the public - therefore, no public requirement?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Don View Post
    Run the scoring system by me again, you don.
    Deaths per 1 million people over the two days I believe.

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    Sweden out in the first round. Our approach is foolproof.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Don View Post
    Run the scoring system by me again, you don.
    Number of deaths per 1m pop, cumulative over 2 days. So, USA 6 is actually 6.09. 1049 (1st apr) + 968 (2nd apr) = 2017 /331m*1m = 6.09

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    Jean-Claude Van-Tam has just been on saying that masks are pointless in day-to-day life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bernanke View Post
    Sweden out in the first round. Our approach is foolproof.
    Highest scoring team to go out. You'd have won 10 of the 16 matchups - unlucky draw.

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    @Lee , we've buckled. Moved our holiday to May next year. 7 days instead of 10 as well because the little one will have started school.

    Hoping for a last minute deal at some point before them. Stay indoors you cunts.

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    The Yanks are going to fuck us in the quarters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spikey M View Post
    The Yanks are going to fuck us in the quarters.
    I had thought so but I'm not so sure, our massive population and later onset could see you guys inch it.

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    Unless they start posting ridiculous numbers (like 3000 dead per day), I think you'll be fine. The size of their population cucks them.

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    The state of HIGNFY.

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    They're not doing it over zoom or something are they?

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    We had a department meeting yesterday where every postdoc was to give a presentation, but Adobe Connect which we were supposed to use for screensharing wasn't working so we ended up giving the presentations through the phone, with each person having the pdf open on their own computer. #techonology

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adramelch View Post
    We had a department meeting yesterday where every postdoc was to give a presentation, but Adobe Connect which we were supposed to use for screensharing wasn't working so we ended up giving the presentations through the phone, with each person having the pdf open on their own computer. #techonology
    It's a really nerdy thing to say but I've been really impressed with how good Teams is.

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    Establishment Democrats spending the last 18 months telling people that everyone loves their employer based health insurance followed by a global pandemic and the below paragraph is just a perfect microcosm of how shit they are.


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    The pearl clutching by the journalists in the press room whenever Donald say they ask "nasty" questions when he's on his bullshit is pretty infuriating. Fucking throw a shoe or something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by randomlegend View Post
    Widespread testing in Iceland showed rates of about 50% asymptomatic infection, IIRC.
    Isnt the big debate how contagious you are with no sympoms though? As the virus is there in you, but very low levels right? Here they seem to think even if you do test positive while asymptomatic, the rate at which you infect other people at that point is low enough to let people out for the sake of society not grinding to a halt (at the cost of a few more infections).

    But it may be a huge miscalculation

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    Yeah, the fear is asymptomatic people have facilitated the big spread of the disease. Even if you're not asymptomatic, the five days it takes you to develop symptoms, you're seen as infectious.

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    My theory is thats why it keeps affecting the weak and elderly so bad and there keeps being outbreaks at nursing homes etc - a few droplets of someone asympomatic may not be enough to infect you and me (or its not enough for the virus to really get a foothold) but for Ruth aged 83 it's plenty, and away we go.

    Completely unscientific, of course. CY@!

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    Didn't Goebbels say yesterday that all of the immunity tests have been a sack of shit so far and that's why we don't have them? Can we trust any study showing a load of asymptomatic people if the test is a dud?

    Or are they using the tests that they use on a current cases?

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    The tests for antibodies have been duds but the tests for the virus are coming up trumps.

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    China, not content with giving Vietnam Coronavirus, are now ramming into our fishing boats and sinking them.

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    So is the test that Iceland did using the current case test and it showed a tonne of people that had it but felt fine? Or were they testing using a dud antibodies test?

    If it's the former, I can't understand why nothing is being made of this news?

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    China also tested some of their returning people and found out of 160, 130 were showing no symptoms. The thing with the asymptomatic numbers are how many of them might turn symptomatic in the following days.

    Looking at the Italy and Spain graphs, I really wish we published recoveries. Just to get a better idea of what cases were active in the UK.
    Last edited by Shindig; 04-04-2020 at 11:04 AM.

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    A succesful antibody test exists, I believe, UK just bought theirs out the back of Del Boy's motor.

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    Meanwhile, in Hampshire, officers and paramedics have told people to stick to physical distancing after three ambulances were called on a “selfish and avoidable deployment” to a man having a bad acid trip following a house party.

    :****)

    I'd be scared of having one too many zoots in these conditions, fuck acid

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    There's no greater sign of being a fanny than taking psychedelics then crying to the emergency services.

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    worldofmeters has new columns for testing per country. No idea where they get the stats or how accurate they are but it's something.

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    I think everyone publishes test numbers.

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    I'm struggling to see the point of all the testing beyond the obvious cases. It seems largely to be media-driven insofar as it's something them dickheads can get their heads around (targets, Whitehall, 'holding people to account', obsessing over sensible Germany, etc.); but to what end is it actually done, given that a) there is no chickenpox-style lasting immunity that might justify letting certain people back into pubs; and b) we're all going to have to get back out and chance it at some point.

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    Extensive testing is usually done so they can catch cases early enough to isolate them. For politicians, it's a number to chase.

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    For me it's just a metric that helps understand when the rise in cases is due to increased testing or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewis View Post
    I'm struggling to see the point of all the testing beyond the obvious cases. It seems largely to be media-driven insofar as it's something them dickheads can get their heads around (targets, Whitehall, 'holding people to account', obsessing over sensible Germany, etc.); but to what end is it actually done, given that a) there is no chickenpox-style lasting immunity that might justify letting certain people back into pubs; and b) we're all going to have to get back out and chance it at some point.
    Point a) seems like speculation and scientific evidence would lean on it being incorrect. If mine is Covid, I can confirm this shit don't just get flushed out in a week or two so those reinfections are probably as a result of shit testing to prove they had recovered.

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