Theresa May's Conservatives
Jeremy Corbyn's Labour
Tim Farron's Liberal Democrats
Paul Nuttall's UKIP
2 people's Greens
Nicholas Durgeon's Scottish Nationalists
Satan's Sinn Fein
Dr Ian Paisley's DUP
Some other bunch of nonces
I'm foreign, but I wish I were an Englishman
I find the 'anti-semitism' crew very boring, but I am very ignorant in those matters. A friend of mine teaches classes on anti-semitism and is chimping out because a course called Nazi Culture in her own department (German) has more students than hers.
It's not to make light of anti-semitism, but it does seem a bit like they're specifically targeting Corbyn and the Labour party.
It's almost like they as a community stand to pay a bit more in tax and may find it harder to hide their wealth under a Labour government dead set on ending austerity and tax avoidance. But I'm sure that's nothing to do with it.
The Tories would definitely be on safer ground with this if they had literally any other leader, although, that being said, Twitter seems to have 75% of the population as a PROVEN RACIST these days.
You can see by the way he answers questions and the responses he gives that he's not done/doing enough. He even said last night that he's had to tighten up the process over the last few months.Originally Posted by SvN
Boris being a racist twat doesn't change this.
So he's taking steps to ensuring it isn't tolerated? How dare he!
He's not actually doing anything as far as I can see.
Corbyn is an anti-semite in the same way Boris is a racist. Neither want anyone lynched, but they both hold unhealthy prejudices that seep out from time to time
This is complete horseshit.
Hello.
Jeremy Corbyn is probably the least racist person in the world, and one of the more prominent anti-racist campaigners of the last several decades. That this shit can be made to stick is a fucking shambles.
It'll be interesting to see how the BBC (rapidly also becoming a disgrace) get themselves out of having lied to Labour about Johnson having also agreed an interview with Andrew Neil, which apparently he hadn't and won't.
And yes, it's the policies that count (or should count) not the charisma or other personality bullshit. Corbyn could be a one-eyed mute and it would still be right to vote for this Labour manifesto.
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I'm one of the least prominent anti-racist campaigners of the last several decades, and yet the amount of anti-Semites/anti-Semitism that I've felt the need to defend is less than that of the most prominent. Weird.
Even if you concede Corbyn himself is not an anti-Semite, the question that needs answered is why are many anti-Semites attracted to a Corbyn led Labour party.
I'm sure you have data showing that there are "many" such people. So much of this shit is being taken at face value, and most of it either the tired canard of classing criticism of Israel as anti-Semitism, or trumped up bullshit. Like when Chris Williamson was kicked out merely for suggesting that there wasn't much of an issue.
He's an ocean-going retard whose definition of anti-Semitism is a very narrow one of right-wingers attacking Jews as a minority group. If somebody smashed up a synagogue he would be right on it because he would see a vulnerable community under siege. All of the other stuff about British Jews having dual loyalty to Israel or Jews controlling world finance and governments is merely part of the debate. After all, banks do control governments, and a lot of bankers are Jewish, so... Hence that wanky 'it's an anti-Semitic trope' defence last night. He accepts that claiming one particular Jewish family controls the world could be anti-Semitic, but the author might have gone on to make some good points about inequality and Israeli settlements so you really need to see it in context.
In which case, Marie “Shinkicker” Rimmer is an even worse choice.
Greens it is.
I'm a twit
Israel is a 51st state of America by proxy and it’s specifically because plenty of American Jews have split allegiances. It’s not like there’s some underground cabal of bankers secretly siphoning money, it’s out in the open completely. It’s similar if less extreme in the UK. Realistically, you would want to be able to discuss whether such ties are problematic in normal public discourse, but you can’t because Conservative parties the world over (as well as Dem establishment in the US) have been able to convince the average person that such talk is racism, tantamount somehow to whatever stupid cunts like Boris and Trump say about other minority groups who aren’t protected by the strongest, most unified special interest bloc in modern politics.
Would you say 'Rothchild Zionists run Israel and world governments' is closer to your points or to outright racism?
I hope you’ve got data to back that up. We don’t want any of that “at face value” wank.
It doesn't matter how racist he is. The fact is, he's not apologising for alleged racism happening on his watch. It's the kind of thing it should be easy to apologise for, too. He's putting his foot down in the worst way.
That's a conspiracy theory for simple people. Nobody runs the world.
The Tories are already plotting the sell-off of the NHS in a post-brexit US trade deal and Boris Johnson is pulling out of doing an interview with Andrew Neil.
Didn't David Cameron already privatise it all?
Big poll news:
The Conservatives will win the general election with a majority of 68 seats, according to a YouGov poll.
Were the election held tomorrow, YouGov projects the Tories would win 359 seats - 42 more than they took in 2017.
Labour is on track to lose 51 MPs by securing 211 seats, the poll suggests.
The poll suggests that the Conservatives would pick up seats from the Labour heartlands of the Midlands and the North.
YouGov's MRP model was hotly anticipated because it is the method that first accurately projected a hung parliament in 2017.
Remember, there are caveats to this and any prediction should be treated with caution.
The difference between this model and ordinary polling is that it applies national trends to constituencies, using demographics and previous results. This means it's more specific than national polling but will miss any truly local issues.
And like other polls, the data can change between now and the election.
I think Scotland will be a mix of SNP and Tory again
What a hole.
Nope, you and others just want it to be because he's left wing and you want him to win. It's just like football club tribal wank arguments.
Also Cummings has just put another mental blog up, jesus christ the man has some front.
How does this work (using national trends and previous results) when the Brexit Party didn’t even exist until about six months ago?
I'm a twit
They are using the results of recent national polls presumably. Plus, the Brexit Party aren't running in any Tory seats.
The Brexit Party will probably just inherit the UKIP votes anyway. They won't get a seat.
There are vanishingly few in the Labour party who go on about that stuff. Again, unless you twist it to say that not wanting bombs dropped on children in Gaza is anti-Semitic.
Corbyn's error has been not to call this out for what it is, and to try to placate those pushing the narrative. Like refusing to challenge that head rabbi dickhead, who has form on this.
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The vanishing few are weirdly over-represented in official and semi-official positions though, which is what makes it unusual, and he nonces around the issue because he's a moral and intellectual idiot.
Name them.
I can't because there aren't any.
What?
Meanwhile, your PM has a long history of being an actual racist himself, and isn't getting half the grief about it.
As Floyd said, it seems quite comparable from the they're both shit side of the fence. The constant referrals to the piccaninnies stuff and the Muslim women looking like letterboxes is all harmless in its actual context, but then you have things like today's chimp out(!) about him once saying that Nigerians are obsessed with money. Is that more or less racist than saying that British 'Zionists' haven't adapted to English irony? More than likely they're just soft-peddled idiocy, although I reckon Johnson would at least have the good sense not to sit on the telly and nitpick over racism vs 'racist tropes' for fear of looking like a cretin.
Henry dismissing the Chief Rabbi's accusations of antisemitism for "having form" has to be the highlight so far.
I don't think I've ever seen him do that about any other minority leader's opinion on the back of a racism discussion in twenty years of posting here.
I think Henry's referring to his lack of neutrality on politics. Specifically on policies that Corbyn has advocated against.
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edit: lol I copy/pasted that from Wikipedia and actually I think I've just copied some propaganda. Deleting it now.
An un-sourced line like 'As Chief Rabbi of Ireland and before the opening of an Israeli Embassy in Ireland, he represented Israel’s interests at government level and in the media' is a bit suspect.
Would like to note that I noticed this and deleted it before seeing this for exactly that reason.
Honestly, this is how it starts gents. If Corbyn were ever to get into power Henry would be along citing the greater good.
I can vouch for that Phonics.
I mean it already has started for black people and muslims in this country so I'm not sure what the implication is here. Jews wouldn't be persecuted under a Corbyn government in some special way.
On the other hand you have had a large insurgent underground movement based on hatred of ethnic minorities. They're not suddenly voting labour because they think there's a anti-semite in the office, unlike Donald Trump that has had a huge swathe of these non-voting nazis matter to him.
(i've edited this several times to be more accurate, please refresh before replying)
It's all Muslims and pinko cranks who would vote Labour regardless.
Yeah, I'm sure the bloke who drove a van into Finsbury Mosque is a big Labour voter.
edit: lol I just looked him up and he's Welsh so he probably was.
This is a very funny paragraph in the article though.
Several far right groups are active in south Wales. They include the South Wales National Front. Its leader, Adam Lloyd, denied any connection to the attacker. “The man in question is not known to any of us here in South Wales National Front, and to our knowledge is not and never has been a member,” he said. “Although we will never condone or accept this kind of violent attacks here in SWNF, anyone with a right mind can see this is not a terrorist attack but a revenge attack.”
I thought you meant the anti-Semites buzzing around the Labour Party.
No the lefts very specific issue with Jews is a seperate issue.
Henry jumping the red shark is nice.
To clarify, I didn't mean how the holocaust starts again, more that Henry's staunch belief that Corbyn is beyond reproach means he gets a free pass on so many issues he otherwise wouldn't and I genuinely believe that even if he was doing some damaging shit to the country Henners wouldn't ever see it that way.
Do you have the same concerns with those who are about to vote the Tories in again? Except that's not a hypothetical situation based on nothing.
As we've established, it's not based on nothing though, is it?
And of course I have concerns over the Tories. Boris is a complete tool. But ultimately I'd trust them to run the country better than Corbyn and bring some stability back by fudging Brexit rather than going through the shambles of another referendum.
Judging by the polls enough people agree with me. Not sure that'll be enough for me to actually vote Tory, I still haven't to this date I should add, but I sure as shit won't be voting Labour.
I honestly can't understand what about the last 9 years or so of the Conservatives in government would make anyone want to trust them to run the country. The last 3 years in particular have been a complete shambles.
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