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    Quote Originally Posted by John View Post
    I went to check to make sure I wasn't missing loads of games where he was hitting the byline like a curly bonced Damien Duff and WhoScored has him crossing on average less than once a game.

    Douglas Costa is a good example though. Well done there.
    https://www.premierleague.com/stats/...rs/total_cross 58 crosses. Not as high as I'd have thought. He stays wide like a true winger. You can look at his heatmaps if you don't believe me.

    Try not to be so patronising.

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    Speaking of outdated wingers, Joaquín is absolutely donning it for Betis this season. It's like being back in year nine.

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    At a conservative estimate that makes him nearly 700 years old.

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    It was surely qualitative stats-driven wank wot killed the Proper Winger. If you cut inside you have more people to aim at, and you can safely coward it back across if the options are crap and live to expected cross another day.

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    Andy Carroll is going to Chelsea for £35m, Conte has lost the plot.

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    fucking hell if that's true.

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    You really would just recall Tammy Abraham if you were desperate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Giggles View Post
    fucking hell if that's true.
    Something is going on, he hasn't been played or put on the bench since the rumour come about.

    Also a few consistent ITK's are also saying that he's in talks with them. Could be done by the end of the week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mazuuurk View Post
    I've also never seen Sane look anything like a winger. The last "traditional" winger in the league was Valencia really, until he became a fullback (and kind of proving Jimmys point).
    Aaron Lennon? Zaha? Mirallas?

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    Mirallas has just gone on loan to Olympiakos, which sums up the winger's plight.

    Conte has been desperate for a bomber command striker ever since he got here. Morata's had the Operation so we need an alternative. Still, lolling at Andy Carroll for £35 million in January is nostalgic if nothing else.

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    Just checked and joel campbell is still officially an arsenal player on loan at betis and gael katuka is at aimes in france. No relevance do what is going on in this talk but I just want to throw that out there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd View Post
    Mirallas has just gone on loan to Olympiakos, which sums up the winger's plight.

    Conte has been desperate for a bomber command striker ever since he got here. Morata's had the Operation so we need an alternative. Still, lolling at Andy Carroll for £35 million in January is nostalgic if nothing else.
    At least the £35m these days is only about 25p.

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    The other thing I'll say re the reaction to us possibly signing Carroll is it's a clear example of anti-English bias from fans (this is definitely a thing nowadays, at least among certain tranches of football fan). If we signed a 2-in-7 target man called Rodrigo Malgoleo from somewhere like Valencia, everyone would be saying 'yeah, decent, mate' instead of proclaiming the end times.

    Case in point was Zappacosta, he's basically Bournemouth's Adam Smith on a rusty moped.

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    The Walcott transfer is another example. £20m is a great price for him in the current market, and he's just the sort of player Everton could do with. But instead you've got the entirety of Twitter too busy bantering about how Everton have been ripped off.

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    He'll be a shite signing, as will Carroll.

    How can I back that up? Salah. Trust me.

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    Carroll's very good when he's fit and having a run of games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScousePig View Post
    Carroll's very good when he's fit and having a run of games.
    But he rarely is fit, which means he is shit. And when he does play, he isn't dropping numbers

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    Wages to turnover percentage

    Quality stat. @Lewis, mate.

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    Yeah, when you see people lolling at various United contracts you wonder whether it has sunk in just how much of a financial advantage they have over everybody else, even with a load of crap wages still on the books. City can live with them in most cases, but in financial terms they are to Liverpool what Liverpool are to Stoke.

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    The only restriction on the Manchester clubs is their own competence. PSG is the same except they are also limited by being French.

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    One of them should get into the Eden Hazard bun fight for the lols.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewis View Post
    Yeah, when you see people lolling at various United contracts you wonder whether it has sunk in just how much of a financial advantage they have over everybody else, even with a load of crap wages still on the books. City can live with them in most cases, but in financial terms they are to Liverpool what Liverpool are to Stoke.
    I try and make this point to Liverpool fans who seem to think we should be going out and signing top players every season. It doesn't work mind you, but I have to try.

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    I think watching Real Madrid and Barcelona get knocked off their fucking perch will be the most enjoyable aspect of the next ten years in football. Preferably with Messi becoming a shit, failed manager at the latter.

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    To link to the Ronaldinio thread, it's mad to think that an entire generation has grown up thinking Barcelona are a well-run club, when actually 2005 to now makes up about ninety per cent of their entire historical competence. Similarly, if you don't lol at any mention of Vanderlei Luxemburgo then you have missed out.

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    Spain were also the perennial bottlers, with the likes of Luis Enrique shitting the bed any time something remotely important was at stake.

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    They are really killing walcott in media with this whole should have done more narrative. His career played out like every other english wide man. Beckham clearly being number one, but since then. There is an obvious gap between beckham and the rest. You rank the rest of them, walcott comes out near the top. He is just one of the best of a bad crew.

    Shaun Wright Phillips
    Aaron Lennon
    Kieron Dyer
    Joe Cole
    Stewart Downing
    Ashley Young
    James Milner
    Raheem Sterling

    Sterling could still end up at barcelona, but the rest of them are converted full backs or just fell off if you look at the numbers. He should have left arsenal years ago though.

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    Milner doesn't really count.

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    Converted full back but he started out wide I think. Surely there is some players ive missed off that list. Surely the wide men england have produced isn't that small since beckham.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spikey M View Post
    Aaron Lennon? Zaha? Mirallas?
    Yes, Lennon, I'll give you that one.

    Zaha I'd say is more versatile and seems to play more off the striker of in the Center, and he does also cut inside a lot does he not? More of a goalscorer than an assister really.

    Mirallas I always found the same, and has largely played to the left despite being right-footed for Everton, hasn't he?


    I mean all is matter of definition, but when I think of a "Propa Winger mate", I think of someone who Plays on the Right with more or less only a Right foot to him and will 9/10 times try to beat his man through sheer pace, and the whip in a cross. More or less a one-trick-pony.

    Whenever Oxlade-Chamberlain was put on to the right wing for Arsenal, he also looked a lot like your average WINGER. Which, incidentally, often worked very well when Giroud was on the pitch (but unfortunately always was coupled with Arsenal chasing from behind having gone - that - desperate).

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    In the late 90s the league was packed with proper wingers who beat their man on the outside or at least favoured their outside foot. Ryan Giggs. Marc Overmars. Ginola, you could argue. Keith Gillespie, Damien Duff, Patrik Berger, Niclas Alexandersson, Steve Guppy.

    Steve Froggatt.

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    Malcom has been disciplined by Bordeaux after being looking too happy on camera after a 2-0 loss.

    He'll fit right in at Arsenal.

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    "Looking happy" seems like a right French reason to discipline someone.

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    Steve Froggatt was probably in with a shout of getting a few England caps given we were forever putting whoever was the least trendy of our midfielders out on the left wing. Until Summerbee happened to him, that is.

    Just learned on Wikipedia that his middle name is "Juniour", though, so lol at that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd View Post
    In the late 90s the league was packed with proper wingers who beat their man on the outside or at least favoured their outside foot. Ryan Giggs. Marc Overmars. Ginola, you could argue. Keith Gillespie, Damien Duff, Patrik Berger, Niclas Alexandersson, Steve Guppy.

    Steve Froggatt.
    You've missed the wingerest winger of them all.



    Probably because he played for United, but he's the player that always comes to mind when I think of "proper" wingers.

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    I was slightly too young to catch his peak. Anders Limpar as well.

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    Andrei Kanchelski was/is one of the few Man Utd playes I've never really minded. Him, Ronny Johnson and Solskaer (pre-Newcastle foul).

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    I too miss the proper wingers. Glenn Helder was a favourite at Arsenal as the shitter half of our Dutch international duo.

    Steve Stone c. 95 and McManaman pre-Real stick out as some of the last quality English exponents, but Roberto Donadoni in his pomp with Capello’s Milan was probably my favourite of the period.

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    Solano

    He gets overlooked in this type of discussion, as you tend to remember those that used their pace above all else, but Solano was more in the Beckham mould. What a player he was.

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    Jason Wilcox, Stuart Ripley, John Barnes, Ruel Fox, Lee Sharpe. The 90's was lousy with them.

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    4231 killed football, the bastard.

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    Rafa killed the radio star.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Samadini View Post
    Solano

    He gets overlooked in this type of discussion, as you tend to remember those that used their pace above all else, but Solano was more in the Beckham mould. What a player he was.
    Yeah see, I’d put Newcastle Solano (as pre-Newcastle he was more of a wing back/full back from what I’d seen and post-Newcastle played more centrally) as a wide midfielder rather than a touch line hugging winger, same for Beckham, Parlour and also Patrick Berger.

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    That's a bit of hairsplitting I reckon. Sure, I get you, but it's a bit like when someone is faffing about whether a player is a Fullback or a Wingback depending on how far forward they get. These are the same cunts who have played a bit too much FM and starts to argue whether Ozil is a "Trequartista" or a "Raumdeuter" or a "Lazy fucker" or whatever.

    Essentially, Beckham was a slow winger, so he'd cross from deep, and someone like Giggs was fast, so he'd run past players and cross from the byline.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Samadini View Post
    Solano

    He gets overlooked in this type of discussion, as you tend to remember those that used their pace above all else, but Solano was more in the Beckham mould. What a player he was.
    He was fucking class on SWOS. Had to sign him from Sporting Cristal.
    I'm a twit

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    In news that I'm sure Giggles will be overjoyed with;

    http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/42716844

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    Contracts for both O'Neill and Keane could be formally signed before the Uefa Nations League draw in Lausanne next Wednesday.
    There's so much excitement in that sentence I can hardly contain myself.

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    Lol that works out to 500k a week. No wonder City dropped out and no wonder they need Mykhitaryan (I'm going to have to add this to the phone dictionary) out as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phonics View Post


    Lol that works out to 500k a week. No wonder City dropped out and no wonder they need Mykhitaryan (I'm going to have to add this to the phone dictionary) out as well.
    It's more like £270k per week, unless I'm being thick.

    Arsenal have been mugged the fuck off tbh.

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    People see 'after tax', think that all these people are paying the top rate like chumps, and then double it in their heads.

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    How much is the tax?

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