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    Tony Blair seems to be using this as a dress rehearsal for his own eulogy.

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    Blair's was particularly nauseating.

    The irony is that the STRUGGLE probably did more to ruin the prospect of a united Ireland than anything else they could have done.

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    Martin McGuinness was a British agent.

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    Tony Blair was on the telly the other day calling George Osborne 'a capable guy' or whatever the Blairspeak is for that. He really has no shame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boydy View Post
    Martin McGuinness was a British agent.
    There are stories that Gerry Adams is too. I doubt either were, frankly. It'd have come out properly by now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boydy View Post
    Martin McGuinness was a British agent.
    To what end?

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    Boyd's LiveJournal must have taken a hammering tonight listening to his old man lolling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GS View Post
    There are stories that Gerry Adams is too. I doubt either were, frankly. It'd have come out properly by now.
    It wouldn't. There will be all manner of secret squirrel stuff from the 20th century that won't come out until everyone involved has popped off and it is dead history.

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    Denis Donaldson was 'outed' a few years ago, as was this guy.

    You might find that they had secret back channels to the British government which were longer-standing and more frequently used than anybody's admitted to so far, but I reckon that'd be the height of it.

    If it was true, you'd have to have a heart of stone not to laugh.

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    You sense the Daily Mail had to hold themselves back somewhat.


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    Some of the proper fawning over him is fucking revolting.

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    I genuinely have never understood how I'm supposed to feel about any of it.

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    Blowing people to bits pretty much trumps whatever else you get up to afterwards.

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    Especially when almost all their targets were civilian and / or on religious grounds.

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    But he converted to a liberal and thus is beyond reproach.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shindig View Post
    Especially when almost all their targets were civilian and / or on religious grounds.
    That's just not true.

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    Anyone fancy a fiver on HM the Queen and/or Prince Phil dying in the next 48 hours?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boydy View Post
    Martin McGuinness was a British agent.
    What is the evidence of this? I mean, it's possible that he was compromised at some point but calling him an "agent" seems to be going a bit far, and I don't think it's believable. And while there are various books about his role, I really would love to know the truth of exactly what was going on behind the scenes in the IRA.

    On the man himself, as with Paisley, one can both be disgusted with his contribution to "the troubles" (I hate that name, which now seems to be semi-official) and appreciative of the skilful way he moved his constituency away from same.

    I agree that on balance, the response to his death has been a bit sycophantic. Possibly a political necessity, but it's not justified by history.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd View Post
    Anyone fancy a fiver on HM the Queen and/or Prince Phil dying in the next 48 hours?
    You'll get on a list for saying things like that.

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    I wasn't being serious, @Henry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Henry View Post
    What is the evidence of this? I mean, it's possible that he was compromised at some point but calling him an "agent" seems to be going a bit far, and I don't think it's believable. And while there are various books about his role, I really would love to know the truth of exactly what was going on behind the scenes in the IRA.

    On the man himself, as with Paisley, one can both be disgusted with his contribution to "the troubles" (I hate that name, which now seems to be semi-official) and appreciative of the skilful way he moved his constituency away from same.

    I agree that on balance, the response to his death has been a bit sycophantic. Possibly a political necessity, but it's not justified by history.
    I trust you're not attempting to establish equivalence between Paisley and the IRA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GS View Post
    I trust you're not attempting to establish equivalence between Paisley and the IRA.
    They're not "equivalent". They were both malignant in very different ways.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GS View Post
    I trust you're not attempting to establish equivalence between Paisley and the IRA.
    The blinkers of a black bastard

    Paisley was as much a terrorist as anyone in the heyday.

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    I think you may be mistaken.

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    The Mail was spewing about somebody on the BBC comparing him to Nelson Mandela. The knots they must have had to tie themselves up in for that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd View Post
    Anyone fancy a fiver on HM the Queen and/or Prince Phil dying in the next 48 hours?
    Now they're definitely hanging on for Brexit Britain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GS View Post
    I think you may be mistaken.
    I think I'm not. I've seen your kind in action and know the delusions well.

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    Also, @Henry, racist?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Black_Institution

    At least call it abuse or something or does Ital have you that well trained that you're afraid of the word?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Giggles View Post
    I think I'm not. I've seen your kind in action and know the delusions well.
    There's no delusion. Establishing equivalence between them and the IRA is dense in the extreme. It's only advocated by people on 'the other side' who wish, for whatever reason, to justify, condone, or mitigate the IRA campaign.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GS View Post
    There's no delusion. Establishing equivalence between them and the IRA is dense in the extreme. It's only advocated by people on 'the other side' who wish, for whatever reason, to justify, condone, or mitigate the IRA campaign.
    It's exactly the opposite. Both sides see their own terrorists as heroes. Your lot call the IRA murderers and go out with your bottle of buckfast to sing billy Wright songs. Their lot do the same.

    Everyone up in that poisonous rats nest falls under the same umbrella. And Paisleys rally's are basically what kept the whole thing going for a long time, not to mention his hand in bombing campaigns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Giggles
    Everyone up in that poisonous rats nest falls under the same umbrella.
    Kindly go fuck yourself.

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    Douglas Carswell has a book out on Monday.

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    As inside jobs go it's right up there. Seems to have made them all the idiots seethe themselves into a state of total disarray just by existing, but also won the EU referendum.

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    It has booted the whinge in London down the news order as well. Is that... Is that Tim Farron with a megaphone? He probably uses it at home.

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    That lot are an embarrassment. One placard said:

    '17 million voted for Brexit
    17 million voted for the Nazis
    17 million CAN be wrong'

    Whereas a few thousand on a march are definitely right.

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    I saw some idiot on Twitter signalling his disgust with Britain by getting a Canadian passport. Mate...

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    The Shinners have, unsurprisingly, walked out of the post election talks. It's no doubt part of the long game of proving that Stormont "can't work" and therefore shoving the border to the top of political discourse again. What a fucking joy that'll be.

    http://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/ed-...rror-1-7884440

    This is also instructive reading, for anybody interested in why last week's eulogising was particularly divisive.

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    The Maloney article is good.

    Your point about what the "Shinners" are now doing is not. That is clearly not their strategy since they have been much more willing than their counterparts to run the local institutions over the past 15 years. The corruption around Foster is unacceptable.

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    These Labour Brexit tests look like a way of BOTTLING IT without having to explain to their voters that they placed the single market over freedom of movement, which makes you wonder how much the actual leadership dictates its European policies. I wouldn't be surprised if Team Jezza has washed their hands of the issue in return for being left alone for a bit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Henry View Post
    The Maloney article is good.

    Your point about what the "Shinners" are now doing is not. That is clearly not their strategy since they have been much more willing than their counterparts to run the local institutions over the past 15 years. The corruption around Foster is unacceptable.
    McGuinness, perhaps. Gerry Adams is running the show by himself now. The long game is surely to demonstrate that Northern Ireland can't work and therefore other options need to be looked at. If everyone is happy with the status quo, then nobody is going to vote for unification outside the nutter fringe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewis View Post
    These Labour Brexit tests look like a way of BOTTLING IT without having to explain to their voters that they placed the single market over freedom of movement, which makes you wonder how much the actual leadership dictates its European policies. I wouldn't be surprised if Team Jezza has washed their hands of the issue in return for being left alone for a bit.
    Their tests would amount to effectively staying in the EU.

    I'm starting to think May should call the election (or: bring the relevant legislation before parliament) and ruin them.

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    What the fuck is "Legs-it"? Fucking scum.

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    Fucking hell. Who thought that would be a good idea?

    Imagine being a woman in that office today... in fact, imaging working in that office... embarrassing.

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    Sturgeon won.

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    They're both hideously unattractive. You'd think it would be difficult to bring ones-self to leer at them, but the Mail managed it.

    Everyone involved should be shot at dawn.

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    I thought your problem was that it's a bit inappropriate to be leering at the women leaders of the UK rather than just them being 'hideously unattractive'. That post's almost as bad as the Mail's headline.

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    My problem is both, and also with whoever thought that using the phrase "legs-it" was something the public should have to suffer.

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    I don't condone beating on women but there's just something about Sturgeon that makes you want to punch her.

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    Calling them both uggos slightly undermines the outrage.

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    Yeah if they were fit then I could understand it but when they look like that!

    Covered yourself in glory there Henry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kikó View Post
    Yeah if they were fit then I could understand it
    There's a time and place (i.e. not the front page of a newspaper) but let's not pretend we don't all objectify women.

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