U.S. Presidential Election 2016 (Sponsored by Betty Croker's Hamburger Helper)

[phonics]

I think people not having the money to pay for it is more the issue there.

Hey, if you want to force Walmart to pay wages that don't leave employees able to apply for food stamps, I'm happy to hear it.

You can't troll your way out on this one because it's such a simple issue. People don't make enough money to pay for health insurance, so wait until last minute and go to A&E. Hospital pays bill. Your insurance goes up. It's that simple.

Prevention = Cost-effective Treatment. You see it across a whole range of health issues.

[Bartholomert]

I think people not having the money to pay for it is more the issue there.

Hey, if you want to force Walmart to pay wages that don't leave employees able to apply for food stamps, I'm happy to hear it.

You can't troll your way out on this one because it's such a simple issue. People don't make enough money to pay for health insurance, so wait until last minute and go to A&E. Hospital pays bill. Your insurance goes up. It's that simple.

Prevention = Cost-effective Treatment. You see it across a whole range of health issues.

They CAN afford it...they are paying for it right now.

The vast majority of people 'losing' (3/4ths) their health insurance are just healthy individuals who don't go to the doctor anyways choosing not to buy health insurance without the penalty. Look at the numbers:

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner...mandate-repeal

[phonics]

Walmart employees can afford stuff but still qualify for food stamps? Interesting.

This is upping your premiums so that a minority of a minority can get a tax cut. Just admit it. It feels better.

Edit: Damn, actually just opened the link and it's written by Avik Roy, who runs a think tank but won't say where he gets the money for it from and is known as the person who wrote the bill. I'm shocked he would be such a backer of it.

Got any independent evidence? No wait I just remembered the bill hasn't even been released or scored by an independent body.

I simply don't understand a world where Single Payer works for Senators, Congressman and Veterans but not for anyone who hasn't murdered people in the government of the days name.

[GS]

This is a truly risible contribution.

[Lewis]

See how far you can get.

[John Arne]

Billy Ings?

[Bartholomert]

Walmart employees can afford stuff but still qualify for food stamps? Interesting.

This is upping your premiums so that a minority of a minority can get a tax cut. Just admit it. It feels better.

Edit: Damn, actually just opened the link and it's written by Avik Roy, who runs a think tank but won't say where he gets the money for it from and is known as the person who wrote the bill. I'm shocked he would be such a backer of it.

Got any independent evidence? No wait I just remembered the bill hasn't even been released or scored by an independent body.

I simply don't understand a world where Single Payer works for Senators, Congressman and Veterans but not for anyone who hasn't murdered people in the government of the days name.

What are you talking about. Premiums will go down.

Single payer DOESN'T work for veterans, are you delusional, the VA is insanely broken and inefficient:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vetera...candal_of_2014

[Henry]

Saying premiums will go down doesn't mean that they will.

And when they don't, you'll just blame Democrats, or immigrants or someone else.

[Bartholomert]

Saying premiums will go down doesn't mean that they will.

And when they don't, you'll just blame Democrats, or immigrants or someone else.

Capitalism says they will. If they don't I'll stand corrected.

[Henry]

If capitalism worked like that, then costs would already be lower than in other countries and they aren't.

[randomlegend]

Has Trump actually banned trans people from the army...?

"Decisive and overwhelming victory"

He talks like a computer game character.

[niko_cee]

I particularly enjoyed the use of the term 'lethality'.

[Magic]

'Private Parts is not a rank' had me on the floor.

[GS]

In the interests of balance:

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Not that I particularly care either way, but this strikes me as a perfect example of the need for evidence over "feeling". Just because something strikes you as a "nice" idea doesn't mean it's good policy. I don't know enough about it either way to reach a personal view, but suggesting it's a travesty before one has engaged with the facts / evidence strikes me as being a bit daft.

[Lewis]

You can't have mentally ill people around guns lads.

[randomlegend]

Reading through that guys tweets he seems like a total cunt.

[GS]

Why's that, then?

Presumably you have experience of a combat zone and can refute the seemingly fair points he's making.

[randomlegend]

Presumably you have experience of working in a hospital and can refute the seemingly fair points doctors make.

[GS]

My points were financial and misrepresenting the reasons for their strike.

Now, answer the question.

[randomlegend]

Now, answer the question.

Fuck off

[Magic]

What's your experience of battlefield 2 Migraine? Xx

[randomlegend]

None at all, I'm rubbish at FPSes tragiclolson Xx

[niko_cee]

Presumably being on a "12 man firebase in the middle of nowhere in the desert" is a problem for a transgender person, but why? Would the redbloods not be able to restrain themselves?

[GS]

We really are completely fucked if the collective moron crowd continue to consider 'feeling' sufficient basis for policy decision.

[Bartholomert]

If capitalism worked like that, then costs would already be lower than in other countries and they aren't.

Our current system isn't a market economy.

[Yevrah]

Where's 'feeling' being cited?

[Bartholomert]

Presumably you have experience of working in a hospital and can refute the seemingly fair points doctors make.

So doctors for the entirety of human history had it wrong but because some doctors in some Western countries they changed their mind on the topic under overwhelming political pressure now it has the seal of endorsement of SCIENCE?

Fucking lol.

[randomlegend]

So doctors for the entirety of human history had it wrong but because some doctors in some Western countries they changed their mind on the topic under overwhelming political pressure now it has the seal of endorsement of SCIENCE?

Fucking lol.

You've completely and utterly got the wrong end of the stick here, but your point is lol as fuck regardless.

Presumably you still believe homosexuality a disease? You probably do tbh.

[Bartholomert]

You've completely and utterly got the wrong end of the stick here, but your point is lol as fuck regardless.

Presumably you still believe homosexuality a disease? You probably do tbh.

It's a psychological disorder.

[mikem]

@GS
Meh, I had six years in between Desert Storm and Bosnia. Most of the people in my unit were damaged prior to service. Broken homes, abusive parents, poverty, join up or go to jail (literally), being told you were the kid who was never amounting to shit, or there from Brazil / Guam / the Philippines for a green card. Everyone is 17-24 and mentally unprepared to tie their shoes. People want to blame the people who break but it is like cancer. It helps us explain how it can't happen to us. The vast majority of jobs are non-combat anyway. Let people serve who want to serve.

[Bartholomert]

@GS
Meh, I had six years in between Desert Storm and Bosnia. Most of the people in my unit were damaged prior to service. Broken homes, abusive parents, poverty, join up or go to jail (literally), being told you were the kid who was never amounting to shit, or there from Brazil / Guam / the Philippines for a green card. Everyone is 17-24 and mentally unprepared to tie their shoes. People want to blame the people who break but it is like cancer. It helps us explain how it can't happen to us. The vast majority of jobs are non-combat anyway. Let people serve who want to serve.

Why should my taxpayer money go towards mutilating someones genitals? That's fucking stupid.

[Lewis]

The list of things the military can reject you for is good.

Deformities of the skull, face, or jaw of a degree that would prevent the individual from wearing a protective mask or military headgear.

Unlucky, Idiotmouse/Tobias.

[Spoonsky]

In the interests of balance:

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Not that I particularly care either way, but this strikes me as a perfect example of the need for evidence over "feeling". Just because something strikes you as a "nice" idea doesn't mean it's good policy. I don't know enough about it either way to reach a personal view, but suggesting it's a travesty before one has engaged with the facts / evidence strikes me as being a bit daft.

Maybe I'm being thick, but what point is the tweet making and how is it relevant?

[ItalAussie]

It's so clearly a ploy to distract people from the healthcare stuff. Couldn't be more blatant without Trump pulling out a sign that says "LOOK OVER THERE".

Something stupid but reliably newsworthy; something that'll get back on side the religious social conservatives who do sometimes worry about the obvious and dramatic negative consequences of the health bill, but are reliably distracted by the thought that someone, somewhere, might be doing something with their genitals of which they disapprove.

[Lewis]

Maybe I'm being thick, but what point is the tweet making and how is it relevant?

It's a thread mate, the tl;dr version of which is that doing a war puts everyone under massive stress and makes them borderline mental, so chucking somebody with all of their actually mental tranny issues into the mix would push them/everyone around them over the edge.

[ItalAussie]

It's a thread mate, the tl;dr version of which is that doing a war puts everyone under massive stress and makes them borderline mental, so chucking somebody with all of their actually mental tranny issues into the mix would push them/everyone around them over the edge.

Presumably the military has mental health checks in place already. They don't just hand you a gun and a hat when you walk in the recruiting booth.

(It's the US, so they might. But they shouldn't.)

[Spoonsky]

Gotcha, read all of it now. Seems like it's based on feeling instead of engaging with facts and evidence.

[Lewis]

Yeah, you would think it would be fine if assessed on a case-by-case basis. The Israelis let them in, and they're literally the last people on Earth who would force POLITICAL CORRECTNESS on their armed forces for the sake of it.

[Magic]

It's a thread mate, the tl;dr version of which is that doing a war puts everyone under massive stress and makes them borderline mental, so chucking somebody with all of their actually mental tranny issues into the mix would push them/everyone around them over the edge.

Haven't they got over their issues if they are full trans?

[Spoonsky]

It would take some balls to get your weed whacked tbf. They might be the mentally strongest of all.

[mikem]

Why should my taxpayer money go towards mutilating someones genitals? That's fucking stupid.

And I don't like prisons.

Suck it up snowflake.

[Bartholomert]

And I don't like prisons.

Suck it up snowflake.

Prisons are necessary to maintain order and enforce rule of law in our civil society. Sex reassignment surgery is not.

[Bartholomert]

It would take some balls to get your weed whacked tbf. They might be the mentally strongest of all.

Most of them regret it and it doesn't improve their suicide rate in the slightest. It should be illegal, and it's enabling the mental illness of an individual who is not in a position to give informed consent.

[mikem]

Yeah, you would think it would be fine if assessed on a case-by-case basis. The Israelis let them in, and they're literally the last people on Earth who would force POLITICAL CORRECTNESS on their armed forces for the sake of it.

There is screening when you sign up and predeployment screening. It is a mass organization so I'm sure it is more sledgehammer than scalpel. But didn't the Ottomans have eunuchs? They did ok.

[randomlegend]

Don't forget the unsullied.

[Lewis]

That list of disqualifiers includes 'Absence of both testicles, either congenital, or acquired, or unexplained absence of a testicle', as well as 'Penis, amputation of, if the resulting stump is insufficient to permit normal micturition'. Unlucky.

[randomlegend]

Jesus Christ...

[Offshore Toon]

Where are all these depressed trannies? They always look like they're having a great time when I see them.

[mikem]

Hilariously, two of our brightest Congressmen, Steve King and Louis Gohmert, had a whole death of western civilization bit on camera last week that centered around how the gays in the Turkish army couldn't push the cannons up the hill at the Battle of Vienna.

They were competing with Dana Rorbacher (who cares how his name is spelled) asking for more time in a NASA committee meeting to specifically ask twice if they thought they would find evidence of an ancient super civilization on Mars.

We have some real winners in congress.

[Shindig]

Prisons are necessary to maintain order and enforce rule of law in our civil society. Sex reassignment surgery is not.

Bleaching your skin isn't necessary either. No matter how much your dad insists.