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    Warne seems to think there aren't enough attacking players in the batting order. Interesting take as ever. Roy for Jennings, Liam Livingstone for Ballance, Buttler for Cook. Nice.

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    As a Durham fan, I can confirm that Jennings is not test match quality. He has only had one good season for Durham with the bat and is way down the averages for County Championship Division 2 this season. Both Hameed and Hales would be better options. Even Jason Roy would be an improvement.

    Warne is so predictable on commentary. For every match, he'll demand the spinners on to bowl earlier, more aggression in every part of the game and engage in useless BANTZ.

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    Jason Roy would bat 6 if anything in a Test match. He does have his moments in red ball but the testosterone levels are a bit high. We need more Alastair Cook types who ejaculate ketamine, which must actually come in handy living on a farm.

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    I think Ballance was a bit unlucky there, but he was a walking LBW from the first ball he faced so hardly a surprise to see him depart like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Max Power View Post
    Warne seems to think there aren't enough attacking players in the batting order. Interesting take as ever. Roy for Jennings, Liam Livingstone for Ballance, Buttler for Cook. Nice.
    It's not so much number as location.

    I feel like you ideally want an imposing attacker somewhere in the top three, to take the game away quickly by dominating teams, and one stalwart in the middle order who can provide backbone when things are falling apart. Hayden and Waugh, basically.

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    And Langer, Ponting and Martyn.

    Piece of cake.

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    Putting Root and Ballance at 3 and 5 respectively isn't going to solve any problems. There simply isn't enough England players with strong enough technique, whether they be attacking or conservative players.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ItalAussie View Post
    It's not so much number as location.

    I feel like you ideally want an imposing attacker somewhere in the top three, to take the game away quickly by dominating teams, and one stalwart in the middle order who can provide backbone when things are falling apart. Hayden and Waugh, basically.
    That's a very Australian way of thinking about things. Your pitches don't do anything early (or ever, really) side to side in the way that ours do. Imposing attackers are just wasted in the top three in England, unless they are also very adaptable. An imposing attacker isn't getting through this Philander spell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Max Power View Post
    Putting Root and Ballance at 3 and 5 respectively isn't going to solve any problems. There simply isn't enough England players with strong enough technique, whether they be attacking or conservative players.
    We have plenty of batsmen with good technique, whether the selectors are prepared to select them is another question entirely.

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    Yeah why I said England, as in Team England, New Balance, Waitrose England, rather than English.

    Ballance is so weird. He must have been someone Root has pushed for as a Yorkshire mate. Because they clearly don't pick on CC form usually and his technique looks ill suited to Test cricket.

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    Oof what a ball. This'll be done by tea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd View Post
    That's a very Australian way of thinking about things. Your pitches don't do anything early (or ever, really) side to side in the way that ours do. Imposing attackers are just wasted in the top three in England, unless they are also very adaptable. An imposing attacker isn't getting through this Philander spell.
    If it's basically a given that you'll be three down after forty overs, wouldn't it be nicer to be three down for 200 than for 75?

    EDIT: It does presume that you have the players to make this approach work, of course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Max Power View Post
    Ballance is so weird. He must have been someone Root has pushed for as a Yorkshire mate.
    Those were the indications when he got the nod.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ItalAussie View Post
    If it's basically a given that you'll be three down after forty overs, wouldn't it be nicer to be three down for 200 than for 75?
    It's not a given, you just have to be prepared sometimes to be 5 off 40 balls when it's tough, and catch up later once the moisture is out of the pitch and the shine is off the ball.

    Cook is a great example of this, he's quite happy to go 10 overs without scoring a run if need be and it doesn't change his temperament. Other players get twitchy and have a visceral need to score regardless of situation.

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    Fucking hell thats embarrassing

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    Not been a great day for Yorkshire digging in, has it.

    Michael Vaughan needs to be executed.

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    I like Mark Wood. He seems a real trier, but he seems to come up quite short at test level. He's always oddly ineffective with the ball and there's isn't really anything else to his game. We've got proper old fashioned tail on the go at the moment.

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    Cook
    Stoneman
    Root
    Westley
    Moeen
    Stokes
    Bairstow
    seam bowler who bats and isn't Liam fucking Dawson
    Rayner
    Broad
    Anderson

    This is the correct XI. I reckon I might get 4/11 if I'm lucky in terms of name/slot both being right.

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    I generally agree with that line up but you have too many bowlers in there. Take out Rayner or that seam bowler and put in another batsman. We only need five frontline bowlers and I would definitely class Moeen Ali as a frontline bowler.

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    I'm not sure I class Stokes as one. I don't want him as the third seamer.

    Batsman for Rayner and a better seamer who can bat then. Broad at nine is diarrhoea.

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    Agreed on Stokes. He's more of a luxury bowler really.

    I'd go:

    Cook
    Stoneman
    Root
    Westley
    Moeen
    Hales
    Bairstow
    Stokes
    Ronald-Jones
    Anderson
    Broad

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    I can't think why Jennings keeps on getting selected ahead of Stoneman. Stoneman has steadily developed as a player throughout his time in Durham and is now one of the best batsman in county cricket while I'm starting to believe Jennings is a one-season wonder. Stoneman has to play in the next test.

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    Stokes at eight will never happen. TR-J isn't a bad shout though and has been in the squad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd View Post
    Stokes at eight will never happen. TR-J isn't a bad shout though and has been in the squad.
    I was unsure what order to put no.s 5 - 8 in. After the farce of this game though, some extra batting depth won't hurt. I like Ronald-Jones, he's very consistent and has been for a number of years, his stats are compared to other similar bowlers in county cricket are excellent.

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    Well, Ravi Trashwin comparing the Chennai Super Kings' match fixing ban to the Munich air disaster has certainly livened up the cricketing week.

    http://www.espncricinfo.com/india/co...y/1111934.html

    "I think the two-year hiatus for CSK probably increases its value much like what it did for Manchester United when the air crash happened," Ashwin, who played for Super Kings between 2009-15, told the Times of India. "I don't know if it's in the same league but surely people in Chennai and fans across the world are waiting for CSK to return. I hope it turns out to be a good comeback."

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    Well, it's certainly a fresh take. Quite surprised he's always struck me as quite bright.

    This comment on cricinfo though

    "Please perform abroad where the pitches do not offer much turn, and all you say will be overlooked!"

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    Squad for third Test - Ballance gone in the finger

    Cook
    Jennings
    Westley
    Root
    Bairstow
    Stokes
    Malan
    Moeen Ali
    LIAM DAWSON BABY
    Broad
    Wood
    Anderson
    Roland-Jones

    Westley will bat at three, so we have duels for the final places between Wood/TRJ, and Malan/Dawson.

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    Still no Stoneman. Ridiculous!

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    Given that they've selected Malan, I think it literally is a case of selecting familiar players to 'the setup'.

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    Oh God, cricinfo has redesigned. These are the worst days of my life.

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    Australia women getting absolutely marmalised by India in the reduced overs semi final. This would be a turn up.

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    I thought Australia already batted

    This on paper is a mulling.

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    Decent knock from my girl Harmanpreet Kaur

    New cricinfo site is shit btw.

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    The Aussies ladies are having a nightmare in Derby.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd View Post
    Oh God, cricinfo has redesigned. These are the worst days of my life.
    Quote Originally Posted by Max Power View Post
    New cricinfo site is shit btw.
    It's fucking hideous

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    New cricinfo is of course terrible.

    That was a fantastic innings by the Indian women, and the ball that got Lanning was basically unplayable.

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    I knew exactly what Cricinfo was going to look like before I even went to the page.

    It's great how every new website design looks dreadful in exactly the same way these days so you don't have to think up new ways of being annoyed.

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    I was having to actually refresh the live scoring page earlier on the women's game. Surely they can't have removed the most basic function/raison d'etre of their site.

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    It's way more difficult to get to the partnership information from the scorecard now, I think.

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    So what's a decent score for the women here?

    Looking at the tournament on Wikipedia it looks like we're going to fall a bit short of the sort of scores India have been getting.

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    That girl's heart must have fucking dropped when she let that catch go.

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    That was one of the great bottle jobs by India. You could almost see the poo running out of their trousers once the runs to win went under 15.

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    Looks like we've gone with:

    Cook
    Jennings
    Westley
    Root
    Bairstow
    Malan
    Stokes (not sure on order of 6/7)
    Moeen
    Roland-Jones
    Broad
    Anderson

    I prefer that to the Dawson-based wank.

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    I (honestly) feel like the new Cricinfo is designed to make me accidentally click on the link to Bet365 every time I want to look at a scorecard.

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    I can't think of any other reason why they'd have redesigned it.

    Looks like it's actually Malan 5 and Bairstow to 7, which is much better.

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    Still annoyed not to see Stoneman breaking into the side, what else can he do?

    Hopefully Jennings can repay the faith being put on him put why not just shift him to 3 and bring Stoneman in to open?

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    Oh for God's sake the auto updates are dead again, I have to refresh every ball and the ads are bigger than Shane Watson's front pad.

    You have to think that the entire media sector is completely broken because people won't pay for anything. I'd pay £5-10 a month for an ad free Cricinfo with a more comprehensive records/statsguru section.

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    CricketArchive?

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    You don't get the up to date articles, live scores and commentary on there. A meld of the two I would definitely pay monthly for full access. But then again I sometimes use it for actual stuff so I'm probably in a minority.

    I refresh again and Jennings has nicked off, quelle surprise.

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    I've just gone on the CricInfo site on my mobile and whlist navigating it and finding what I want is a chore, the live tab on the match page does update itself live without refreshing.

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