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    He is a lefty, but he's equally as critical of the left as the right, just for different reasons.

    Tom Walker admits himself that the routine is as old as the hills, but for me, he's very good at it and says some interesting stuff.

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    That was Merts argument for years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kikó View Post
    I think if someone other than Trump/NRA put forward the reason on why kids in schools were killed and came out of the process with "because schools are gun free zones" , they would probably be locked up as they were showing signs of insanity.

    And this is the solution they have come out with.
    I haven't run the numbers, but I'd imagine a significant number of Americans would also agree. All these 'solutions' come from a base position that is never ever going to increase gun control, let alone get rid of them.

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    Plus one for the Jonathan Pie hate.

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    Yeah and he's wrong as well.

    You figure out why you've got kids with guns and why it's so easy to grab a hold of one. You tighten up the supply of guns and completely outlaw anything that is a semi-automatic. You don't fucking load up the teachers. JESUS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kikó View Post
    Yeah and he's wrong as well.

    You figure out why you've got kids with guns and why it's so easy to grab a hold of one. You tighten up the supply of guns and completely outlaw anything that is a semi-automatic. You don't fucking load up the teachers. JESUS.
    Well of course You (or I) do, but it's not our country or belief system, is it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewis View Post
    Plus one for the Jonathan Pie hate.
    Care to elaborate?

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    No it's not, they're a completely different hive mind (especially away from your liberal areas). Let the cunts kill each other if that's what they want to do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kikó View Post
    No it's not, they're a completely different hive mind (especially away from your liberal areas). Let the cunts kill each other if that's what they want to do.
    They want easy access to guns and they're prepared to accept the collateral damage that goes with that.

    Would I like to live in a society like that? Would I bollocks, but I can see why they draw that conclusion when access to guns is so important to them.*

    *And I've seen the poll that says 60% are now in favour of greater controls, but I'd be curious to see how that would translate to an actual vote, should hell ever freeze over and it come to that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yevrah View Post
    Care to elaborate?
    He isn't funny and he isn't interesting.

    Anyway, has everyone seen Trump lolling about his bald patch? What a legend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewis View Post
    Anyway, has everyone seen Trump lolling about his bald patch? What a legend.
    Link?

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    I don't know what the picture is he's referring to. Presumably himself.

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    He loves that shit doesn't he?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewis View Post


    I don't know what the picture is he's referring to. Presumably himself.
    I'm on mobile. It's on Ashley Feinbergs twitter. It's gross.

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    That video legitimately looks like it's straight out of a bad SNL sketch.

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    That Philando Castile chap killed by the police a few years ago was a teacher. Maybe arming them is a good idea.

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    97% of the country supports universal background checks, but no chance of it happening politically. Isn't that something? The Republicans are now completely unanswerable to their electorate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mokbull View Post
    97% of the country supports universal background checks
    No chance it's actually anything like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yevrah View Post
    No chance it's actually anything like that.
    https://poll.qu.edu/national/release...ReleaseID=2521

    Quinnipiac is a well-respected poll. It's probably a few percent less in actuality, but it's really fucking high.

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    To be fair, adding guns to every classroom is the most Trump response you could imagine to a national tragedy. His response to 9/11 would be an entirely armed workforce at airports. And planes fitted with air to air missiles as standard.

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    These companies cutting their ties with the NRA is a good one. What did you think it was, lads?

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    He's now claiming that if he were outside of that school, he would have ran in unarmed and taken the guy down himself

    Trump hasn't broken into a sprint since he was about 9 years old. How he plans to take down someone armed with an assault rifle, I'm not sure.

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    Just shows you what fannies the police were.

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    They feared for their lives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phonics View Post
    He's now claiming that if he were outside of that school, he would have ran in unarmed and taken the guy down himself

    Trump hasn't broken into a sprint since he was about 9 years old. How he plans to take down someone armed with an assault rifle, I'm not sure.
    He also pussied out of going to 'Nam, so it's unlikely the orange shitweasel would have gone in windmilling at some gun-toting pubescent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pepe View Post
    They feared for their lives.
    If only there were people employed to protect and serve them.

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    lollllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll ll

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    I don't really understand this stuff. If you are so arsed about politics that you care whether an airline is affiliated with the NRA, wouldn't you also be switched-on enough to notice how shamelessly cynical these companies are being about it (not to mention counter-productive)?

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    I'm not exactly sure how divesting is supposed to work. Like, how are you 'effecting change' or whatever by selling your stocks?

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    Won’t the fossil fuel stocks be bought by others?
    Yes, others may buy the stocks, although the amounts being divested are too small to flood the market and cut share prices, so they won’t be going cheap.

    This cuts to the heart of the impact of the fossil fuel divestment movement – which is not to bankrupt the industry financially, but to do so morally and politically. As research by Oxford University pointed out, the financial loss of the divestment campaign – the fastest growing in history – will not be felt through the shares sold but through the reputation lost by these companies by being stigmatised.
    Will organisations that divest lose money?
    Not necessarily – in fact they may even make money.
    Lol.

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    I read once - but I can't find it now - that the hole in the British universities' pension fund (which they are currently striking over an attempt to resolve) was roughly equivalent to the money they have missed out on by divesting from fossil fuels and tobacco and all that bad stuff.

    In this case it is just stuff like NRA members getting discounts on car rentals and other bollocks, which those companies are now putting a stop to. Alright. Go for it. But I don't suppose people join the National Rifle Association to get discounted hotel rooms, so this can't be an economic sanction. It is just the other companies posturing. Again, go for it. But the NRA has not become any more mental or distasteful in the past week. They were always like this, and you condoned it until a few verified Twitter users got on your case. If your 'brand values' are so easily swayed then they are actually non-existent, and you just look like twats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phonics View Post
    He's now claiming that if he were outside of that school, he would have ran in unarmed and taken the guy down himself

    Trump hasn't broken into a sprint since he was about 9 years old. How he plans to take down someone armed with an assault rifle, I'm not sure.
    He'd stab the guy with his totally real bone spurs guys.

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    Further to yesterday, lol at Google blocking 'gun' and 'rifle' from its shopping searches. Meanwhile, anyone who wants a 'firearm' or maybe even a 'landmine', feel free to crack on.

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    That's just pathetic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pepe View Post
    I'm not exactly sure how divesting is supposed to work. Like, how are you 'effecting change' or whatever by selling your stocks?
    The effect may be minimal but in principle lower demand for something causes the price to drop. There's also reputational damage which leads to further uncertainty for the target.

    And no, Lewis, the NRA were not always like this. Apparently. I posted a link upthread.

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    That's as AMERICA as it gets.

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    Bullet crowns.

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    Less than two hours away from where I'll be living.

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    Trump was actually pragmatic yesterday. He actually wants a gun law that restricts access. It's good to see retailers like Dick's and Walmart take the initiative as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kikó View Post
    Trump was actually pragmatic yesterday. He actually wants a gun law that restricts access. It's good to see retailers like Dick's and Walmart take the initiative as well.
    It's difficult to give him credit for that when one of the first things he did was bin an Obama policy that expanded the information available in the background check, essentially making it less likely that a nutcase would be identified as such. He shouts about it being a mental health issue, but one of his first actions made it easier for the mentally ill to buy a gun.

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    Yeah agreed - but when he gives some concessions then it's amazing.

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    Trump's proposal allegedly violates the 2nd, 4th and 5th amendments.

    The Republican dickhead complaining about it probably had it right - Trump is influenced on any issue by the last person he speaks to. In this case it apparently was some anti-gun person.

    Now we just need to work on a plan to get him a meeting with Chomsky just prior to the next State of the Union address...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kikó View Post
    Trump was actually pragmatic yesterday. He actually wants a gun law that restricts access. It's good to see retailers like Dick's and Walmart take the initiative as well.
    Less pragmatic and more prone to agree with the last person he talked to. I know the imagine if Obama stuff is a bit played out but can you imagine him saying, "First we take the guns, and then we do due process" and not being immediately impeached and killed in the street?

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    Iowa has found their solution.

    Guns for the blind.

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...blind/2780303/

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    Quote Originally Posted by phonics View Post
    The insane thing is that the vast majority of churches in any country in the world would find this utterly insane.

    It's truly weird how bafflingly entwined conservative political and religious beliefs have become in the US. You wonder whether any of them even own a passport.

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    One nation under God. Might as well be constitutionally binding.

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    BlackRock is getting all serious with the gun manufacturers it owns shares in. They can't just pull the plug on them, because that could set an awkward precedent, but they can require them to answer questions like 'What steps do you take to support the safe and responsible use of your products?', and 'What strategies do you employ to monitor how your products are being sold?' Good stuff. But wait a minute lads. Don't you own ten per cent of Raytheon, whose wire-guided anti-tank missiles have been al-Qaeda's most potent weapon in Syria?

    Also, lol at Delta blowing that tax break (which was bullshit, but is lol for these purposes) over thirteen NRA discount tickets.

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    LOL indeed if Delta moves to another state.

    Also, since corporations are apparently people, and spending money is apparently an exercise of free speech, this is a violation of the first amendment.

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