Why does it matter if they're Africans?
Why does it matter if they're Africans?
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The police are finally catching up with me, I see.
You smug twat.
That's the funniest post Henry has made in years. Well played.
No problem
Impeach Hotpoint.
But that doesn't take me to a website.
800 homes being evacuated in Camden.
I thought they were actually being evacuated.
They are.
Tesco doing a black Friday type sale.
Right, now we know, this is absolutely disgusting and should be a source of national shame.
There are clearly people in this country taking the absolute piss and enough is enough.
They've been given notice to temporarily leave from what that reads like. The headline suggests they're barelling downn stairs and all standing in the street in their jocks.They are.
Tesco doing a black Friday type sale.
Alright bigman calm down and dry your eyes.
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What fresh hell is this?
That spoiler. I'm crying with laughter.
Harold.
Why are houses being evacuated?
Welcome Horace.
Yep.
Well Harold has released a statement on Teh Refuge categorically denying any link to Horace, so until proven otherwise I think we should consider this a new member.
I don't think even the Bish would go around pretending to be a Palace fan.
Who is Harold? Cheers for the welcome.
Has he finally figured out VPN's?
Sexually Horaced.
The Charity Shield is giving some of its proceeds now. I realise that I'm cold about these things generally, but people are going well over the top, and I think it has a lot to do with how everybody has to tell themselves not to shit the bed over the Muslims. Bear with me. The fact is, eighty people being barbecued in a tower block is much more normal (or at least less 'You wot mate?') than some cunt refugee blowing twenty kids to bits at a pop concert; but the NARRATIVE on those things is set in stone and ready to go. Nobody kick off. Nobody point fingers. But this is a new thing for most people, and they're losing their minds.
Nineteen-hundred and ninety-seven and Anthony Charles Lynton Blair.
Englishman born and bred worent he?
British. Not English. His parents were refugees. The point is, it was a much more remarkable - on almost every level - incident than a building burning down.
A building burning down seems much more easily preventable?
Not as easy to BLAME THE TORIES though.
Also it's hard to argue they died BECAUSE THEY WERE POOR.
I think that's a big part of it. It fits quite neatly into a narrative that a lot of people already accept without question and thus represents mainstream thinking (that the Tories would basically set fire to the building themselves if they could get away with it).
Some of the politicising has been horrendous, but you expect that nowadays.
I don't think whether or not it could have been prevented is the main reason people are going mental. If it was people would be a lot calmer and happy (for lack of a better word) to wait for official answers and recommendations, rather than storming council offices and what have you.
Why wait for inquiries when you can call for manslaughter charges and public executions on the back of one report in the Guardian?
There's a general lack of patience for everything, it seems.
The more third parties throw at this, the less the government has to foot.
I doubt that.
These people refusing to leave the building in Camden are legends. Or they're illegally sub-letting. Whatever.
Another typically measured intervention from the Labour leadership.
David Lammy was fuelling the 'cover-up' fire earlier about the true number of dead (it'll be fucking loads and most of them will be off the books).
This led me down a series of wormholes into something about how in these fires, people's fat melts and merges with that of other people so the DNA gets mixed up and identification is impossible. Delightful.
Finding a few dozen undocumented illegals up there could go either way. It could show London (and everyone involved in the London Industry) right up, or it could finally prove that Margaret Thatcher set the building on fire.
There are some sixty buildings across twenty-five councils that have now failed tests, so that's going to be a lot of people we're prosecuting for negligence and / or manslaughter depending on whether any of them go up in flames.
It's notable that the idea the entire thing was down to "Tory austerity" appears to have been quietly shelved now Labour councils are implicated. By everyone except McDonnell, obviously, whose lack of tact continues to embarrass him. His language suggests he thinks someone, or multiple people, have literally intended to have people killed.
I'm not sure where this ranks in his catalogue of outrageous statements. It's probably above celebrating the financial crisis and the economic CHAOS it brought, but below suggesting the peace process was brought about by the 'sacrifice' of IRA members bombing the British into it.
And to think our Labour supporting crowd on here would have him as the next Chancellor.
It's probably a combination of austerity and negligence, you flimsy, reactionary gimp. Mellberg's right. You're on the spectrum.
As I think Lewis said from the very beginning, it's a local council, they fuck everything up regardless of resource levels. Look at every inquiry into a the death of baby 'letter'. Some idiot probably has about 500 letters on his desk somewhere warning about this to some extent or other.
I'm assuming this is sarcasm, in which case - are you suggesting that because this has happened on a large scale, that there should be no charges of negligence (if proven)?
PS. I haven't really followed this discussion, so happy to be corrected.
If anything, it looks like it's arisen as part of a drive to achieve 'green' efficiencies. I think you'll find I've been advocating restraint throughout, because calling for heads to roll before you know what's happened is properly stupid.
Still, we could prosecute Caroline Lucas in a show trial if that would assuage everyone but I suspect the narrative is significantly less gripping when it has little to do with austerity.
You'd need to have followed the discussion. Henry was advocating manslaughter charges the day after, despite knowing nothing.
Prosecutions should follow where appropriate, but given it's a wide ranging problem I would suggest we hold off lynching anybody.
Two lies in this sentence.
"Reactionary gimp" is a good one. Probably should be your custom status.
I look forward to your inevitable retraction.
Do you agree with McDonnell's assessment of it?
I think "murder" is too strong a word, but the idiotic line of the Daily Heil and others that he's politicisiing it is bullshit, and simply a way to avoid accountability.
It must be added that the Daily Heil was publishing shit two days after the fire trying to scapegoat a resident and was forced to backtrack.
It was the smoke and the fire and the sacrifice made by Grenfell Tower that brought safer cladding to the negotiating table.
Looks like the cladding was legal and in line with present building regulations.
We'd probably be best not prosecuting council staff for following the law, then.
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