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Thread: UK General Election 2017 - 8 June

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    He ('Chappers') will either have a book out soon, or he wants a bit of that sweet Ian Dunt/Nick Cohen MELTDOWN money has to make up for lost time.

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    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40952224

    I get that Labour are idiots, but why is that a resigning matter?

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    For the same reason they half-arse the anti-Semitism stuff.

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    We're in bother if the statement of fact is suppressed because it goes against the prevailing view of 'diversity', 'tolerance', and other such wooly concepts.

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    There was a top copper on the news the other day refusing to single out the usual (majority) suspects behind these things.

    I don't even know who's driving the boat on whitewashing that sort of thing away these days.

    I mean, take the article Jim's posted and this bit:

    Among the article's critics was fellow Labour MP Naz Shah, who said it was "irresponsible" and "setting a dangerous precedent".
    Does he agree with the sentiment and would just have preferred fluffier language to be used, or is he actually disputing the basic premise of her point?

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    She is the MP for Bradford West, so, whilst I would go with the latter, I suspect they actually lean more towards not wanting to know either way.

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    I'm sure Peter Oborne will be along shortly with a mental thinkpiece in support of the bearded burghers. Oh well, at least Rod Liddle will be able to spin three columns out of it.

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    Oh and it seems 'Chappers' has finally gone over the edge, calling Theresa May a Nazi and then having his account deleted. Goodnight, sweet prince.

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    It's early and I don't follow UK politics twitter as closely as the US.

    I thought you were talking about this Chappers.


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    MPs are holding a minutes silence for Big Ben. We are literally mourning the passage of time at this point.

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    #bellend

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    I don't think they were being serious.

    Much of this is simply because there's nothing else of consequence happening during the summer recess, and they need something to write about.

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    The people moaning about it were taking it more seriously than the people doing it, which, when you think about it, sums up most of the past seven years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewis View Post
    The people moaning about it were taking it more seriously than the people doing it, which, when you think about it, sums up most of the past seven years.
    This is an MP literally crying over it.


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    One MP (a Labour one, no less) out of 650.

    Definitely a mass movement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phonics View Post
    We are literally mourning the passage of time at this point.
    Figuratively. You mean figuratively.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John View Post
    Figuratively. You mean figuratively.
    Take it up with the Webster, MacMillian and Cambridge dictionaries.

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    I think there's a scintilla of a chance that the MP pictured above may be taking the piss.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd View Post
    I think there's a scintilla of a chance that the MP pictured above may be taking the piss.
    He says he wasn't, but then you'd expect he's simply engaging in a mass trolling exercise to trigger idiots.

    If it was Peter Bone, it may have been different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phonics View Post
    Take it up with the Webster, MacMillian and Cambridge dictionaries.
    The dictionaries bowing to idiots who want to use words incorrectly doesn't mean the rest of us have to.

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    I'm almost certain that MP is one of two who popped up on BBC news last night to say we needed to find another way to protect the hearing of those working on it. The bell is 'part of what it means to be British' and 'must keep bonging', apparently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yevrah View Post
    There was a top copper on the news the other day refusing to single out the usual (majority) suspects behind these things.

    I don't even know who's driving the boat on whitewashing that sort of thing away these days.

    I mean, take the article Jim's posted and this bit:

    Does he agree with the sentiment and would just have preferred fluffier language to be used, or is he actually disputing the basic premise of her point?
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    She is the MP for Bradford West, so, whilst I would go with the latter, I suspect they actually lean more towards not wanting to know either way.
    It was a few days ago, but the papers are leaning into this now. As if I was right.

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    Naz Shah is a cunt and an idiot who should have been booted out of parliament a long time ago, but it'd be incredibly lol if she got punted for that.

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    When you live in a country where you're forced to apologise for eating meat, you probably can't get away with that sort of thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewis View Post
    It was a few days ago, but the papers are leaning into this now. As if I was right.
    Interestingly, that story hasn't made the BBC website.

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    The only good thing that bint has done was unseating Galloway just to get his reaction.

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    Can somebody explain one thing to me.
    Regarding the Ireland / N.Ireland border.... I believe that the UK has said it wants to keep the current no border option, Ireland has said that it wants to keep the no border option - yet the EU are coming out with comments such as "clown ideas" - is this just a case of the EU being difficult as to not encourage other countries to leave the EU (as is their right, I guess).

    If the above is the case, just how much power does the EU have other the border controls of it's nations? Ireland is still a sovereign state...

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Arne View Post
    Can somebody explain one thing to me.
    Regarding the Ireland / N.Ireland border.... I believe that the UK has said it wants to keep the current no border option, Ireland has said that it wants to keep the no border option - yet the EU are coming out with comments such as "clown ideas" - is this just a case of the EU being difficult as to not encourage other countries to leave the EU (as is their right, I guess).

    If the above is the case, just how much power does the EU have other the border controls of it's nations? Ireland is still a sovereign state...
    The point is that the UK can't leave the customs union and restrict immigration while leaving the border open. Their position is contradictory.
    Not sure what "power" the EU have in this area but one assumes that it's substantial.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Henry View Post
    The point is that the UK can't leave the customs union and restrict immigration while leaving the border open. Their position is contradictory.
    Not sure what "power" the EU have in this area but one assumes that it's substantial.
    What's the Ireland position on this? Am I correct in assuming they want to leave the border open?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Henry View Post
    The point is that the UK can't leave the customs union and restrict immigration while leaving the border open. Their position is contradictory.
    Not sure what "power" the EU have in this area but one assumes that it's substantial.
    Cheers.

    So what if it's contradictory? It's up to the UK and Ireland to strike a deal on the border - if both countries decide then to have more stringent border controls with other countries - surely it's their prerogative - contradictory or not?

    EDIT: that said, I do appreciate the realistic issues with this, being that tourists or immigrants just casually walking over the border into N.Ireland.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Arne View Post
    Cheers.

    So what if it's contradictory? It's up to the UK and Ireland to strike a deal on the border - if both countries decide then to have more stringent border controls with other countries - surely it's the prerogative - contradictory or not?
    The UK/Ireland want an open border. The EU don't because then you could just smuggle goods across that border or get into the EU via Ireland.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Henry View Post
    The point is that the UK can't leave the customs union and restrict immigration while leaving the border open. Their position is contradictory.
    Not sure what "power" the EU have in this area but one assumes that it's substantial.
    They can if there is a full free trade deal with mutual standard recognition. You could use electronic methods for registering shipments outside a trade deal, but some customs checks become inevitable.

    The issue is an attempt to frame the border as a 'primary issue' prior to discussing the trading arrangement. The border will be entirely dependent on the outcome of that. The immigration issue is a nonsense, as outlined below.

    Quote Originally Posted by phonics View Post
    The UK/Ireland want an open border. The EU don't because then you could just smuggle goods across that border or get into the EU via Ireland.
    Ireland is outside Schengen. Ergo passport controls are in place. Someone could come into NI via the south, but they couldn't work legally as they wouldn't get an NI number. Therefore if they were going to work illegally they might as well just fly into the UK itself. It's a non issue.

    The issue is customs, the outcome of which is entirely predicated on the trade deal. Now, when one looks at the issue in terms of actual numbers (for 2015, as the most recent year available), 63% of NI goods are sold within NI. 22% are sold to GB. Only 6% are sold to ROI (and an additional 3% to the rest of the EU).

    Northern Ireland actually sells more goods to the rest of the world than to the south. It'll have a disproportionate impact on the border communities who border hop for work but it's hardly the end of all things. It's being whipped up by arch remainers to pretend it'll reopen the troubles and thus we shouldn't go ahead with leaving, and by the nationalists to try and leverage it as an issue to push a united Ireland. The latter is demonstrably failing as evidenced by the latest Life and Times survey on the constitutional question.

    In contrast, the south exports around 12% of its goods to the UK. More importantly, it imports not a kick in the arse off 30% from us. Ergo it's a far bigger problem for them. Varadkar isn't helping matters by being belligerent rather than constructive. The taoiseach never helps himself if he uses language designed to appeal to the more disgruntled elements of northern nationalism.

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    I appreciate that the remain dickheads 'support' the European Union in all of this, and seem to swallow their negotiation points as if they were coming from a concerned parent, but it does amaze me how them being unwilling to compromise over an actual warzone is seen further proof of their benevolence and our idiocy.

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    It's genuinely fascinating to see some of them seemingly want the entire thing to fall apart just to 'prove' their original warnings.

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    I think they just hate Britain. Being 'right' is merely an added bonus.

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    That too. It's fucking bizarre.

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    lol.

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    There is clearly a sub-section of fannies who prefer all things 'Europe' (by which I mean their imagined version of it), and see our being part of it as the only thing stopping us making Nigel Farage Lord Protector.

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    Oh yeah, cause the ones who love all things British don't have imagined versions of that in their head.

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    lol

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    Subscribing to a misty-eyed version of history isn't really comparable to thinking that the European Union confers liberal values on sixty million backwoodsmen.

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    Lol

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    Risible.

    Anyway:



    This is a surprise.

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    From the Europe editor of the Telegraph:



    No doubt Continuity Remain will demand to know why we're not offering to hand over the full sum with a covering note of apology.

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    I wonder who the 'young man from Whitehall' was. Probably the person who leaked the story.

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    He'll be character assassinated in the Guardian soon enough for refusing to genuflect in front of our benevolent European overlords.

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    Presumably you could make that entire story up and no-one would be any the wiser.

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    Well, obviously.

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    Well one wonders why you've chosen to post it verbatim in retarded font size then.

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    Because it's funny, which is the whole point.

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