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  • Theresa May's Conservatives

    10 22.73%
  • Jeremy Corbyn's Labour

    23 52.27%
  • Tim Farron's Liberal Democrats

    3 6.82%
  • Paul Nuttall's UKIP

    0 0%
  • 2 people's Greens

    1 2.27%
  • Nicholas Durgeon's Scottish Nationalists

    1 2.27%
  • Satan's Sinn Fein

    0 0%
  • Dr Ian Paisley's DUP

    0 0%
  • Some other bunch of nonces

    2 4.55%
  • I'm foreign, but I wish I were an Englishman

    4 9.09%
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Thread: UK General Election 2017 - 8 June

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    It didn't explicitly say they wouldn't raise Class 4, as I recall. It was used as a convenient way out for people who didn't want to defend voting for a tax increase.

    Additionally, it was framed as an attack on aspiration and hard work. Even though the original discrepancy that gave rise to different levels has now been addressed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GS View Post
    It didn't explicitly say they wouldn't raise Class 4, as I recall. It was used as a convenient way out for people who didn't want to defend voting for a tax increase.

    Additionally, it was framed as an attack on aspiration and hard work. Even though the original discrepancy that gave rise to different levels has now been addressed.


    Seems pretty explicit to me.

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    David who?

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    I thought it was about the party not the person leading it?

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    The legislation they passed in 2015 (NIC Insurance Contributions Act) locked it for Class 1, but made no mention of Classes 2 or 4.

    They'd have got it through if they'd wanted to, given they were aligning pension benefits for Class 4 earners and protected lower earners. They weren't prepared to have the argument though, because tax is evil.

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    Sounds like the Conservative Party are a bit of a coalition of chaos imo.

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    They are, although Chuka Umunna also appears to be launching his bid for the London Smarmy Cunts Party breakaway with fairly absurd timing.

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    Wouldn't be the left if there wasn't constant infighting when you're at your strongest.

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    Speaking of which, lol at everybody jumping on Deadly Dominic Cummings.

    Quote Originally Posted by Huffington Post
    Cummings, who ran a campaign that included the slogans “Britain’s new border is with Syria and Iraq” and “Let’s give our NHS the £350million the EU takes every week”, tried to use quantum mechanics as justification for his comments.
    Get with it lads.

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    The two people running for Theresa Mays Comms Director are two BBC heads. Bloody lefty BBC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewis View Post
    Speaking of which, lol at everybody jumping on Deadly Dominic Cummings.



    Get with it lads.
    Who is David Allen Green and why is he always on my timeline?

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    Legal Twitter must be the most self-important Twitter.

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    I'm 90% sure that Secret Barrister bloke isn't even a lawyer.

    @2dammuslim is the only good lawyer on Twitter.

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    Gentlemen.


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    Isn't "see all Orange bands get golden flutes" a bit sectarian (if we're being hypersensitive, as is the fashion of the day)?

    Not a bad effort, mind.

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    Probably, but only our resident communists are fully paid up members of Generation Snowflake and they all wanted the IRA to win anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewis View Post
    Speaking of which, lol at everybody jumping on Deadly Dominic Cummings.



    Get with it lads.




    He's probably still SEETHING over Deadly Dom's take on him:

    TV news dominates politics and is extremely low-bandwidth: it contains a few hundred words and rarely uses graphics properly. Evan Davis illustrates a comment about ‘going down the plughole’ with a picture of water down a plughole and Nick Robinson illustrates a comment about ‘the economy taking off’ with a picture of a plane taking off. The constant flow of bullshit from the likes of Robert Peston and Jon Snow dominates the medium because competition has been impossible until recently. BUT, although technology is making these charlatans less relevant (good) it also creates new problems and will not necessarily improve the culture.

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    The actual full exchange doesn't tell you anything anybody paying attention wouldn't have already known about him and his position[s], so everyone chimping out over an isolated tweet proves his point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phonics View Post
    Wouldn't be the left if there wasn't constant infighting when you're at your strongest.
    If there's one thing the right have usually managed to grasp, it's who their real enemies are. The left could learn from that.

    (Of course, in recent months...)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewis View Post
    Speaking of which, lol at everybody jumping on Deadly Dominic Cummings.

    Get with it lads.
    It's taken them about six weeks to notice that, and even then only via the usual wankers retweeting articles that they clearly haven't read at each other.

    Who is 'Tim Walker' by the way? FT? I've had to mute his twitter due to extreme smugness that everyone keeps retweeting into my timeline.

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    I think that paper is run by Chris Giles and then one bloke pretending to be a dozen other people at once.

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    Deficit hawking from May, there. You'd think they could have got stuck into that in the campaign to expose Jez's economic insanity.

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    Well, if we're following Nuremberg precedents, that will mean that Blair will have to be hanged.

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    Not a cult.

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    That's not on. By all means write a letter / talk to your MP and express your views, but that can't go on really.

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    It'll be mandatory reselections next, and then they're all completely fucked.

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    God forbid the members of the constituency party have someone who represents them!

    It's bang on. Bring on the reselections. It's the members' party, not the party of fucking careerist technocrats.

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    True.

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    Hang on, is it in the Liverpool Echo's official style guide to put S*n instead of Sun?

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    Can see Boydy's point.

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    That would be rather mawkish of them. One for Gaseous Yev here: Martin Lewis explains student loans, and nobody understands. It must be the worst explained thing since the Berlin Wall came down by accident.

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    Those replies are absolutely brilliant. I've just scan read through about a 100 and not a single cunt responding can follow the simple example he's used or understand the point he's making.

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    The best one is 'I've read this. Sadly Martin i don't agree'. Okay mate.

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    Wow, there are a lot of simpletons out there. Not least ignoring the fact that the value of a uni degree (and therefore the jobs you can apply for) should cover the repayments and then some. Interest is minimal on it too.

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    Not on his current numbers, tbh. But then David Davis has good numbers and he is fucking awful.

    They probably need to bring in a youngster really.

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    The lack of understanding of the fee system is quite scary.

    It's compounded by politicians shamelessly leveraging it as a campaign issue.

    You can half forgive the Lib Dems in 2010, but there's years of data now showing that it works so there's no excuse in 2017. They're either thick or just outright lying about it.

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    I understand the student loan system. I still don't like it and think it should be free.

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    The sad truth about having nice things for free is that there will have to be enormous tax rises for everyone to pay for them.

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    Just borrow more innit

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd View Post
    The sad truth about having nice things for free is that there will have to be enormous tax rises for everyone to pay for them.
    Possibly some rises for some people, but there are also probably too many people in higher education doing half-assed shite. Cut that down and it becomes more affordable.

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    Yeah, rather than have people paying their own way we should make it free then ban people from doing things we disagree with.

    Fuck that noise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spikey M View Post
    Yeah, rather than have people paying their own way we should make it free then ban people from doing things we disagree with.

    Fuck that noise.
    You don't ban anything. You make the academic criteria higher. 40% of people going to university is too many.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Henry View Post
    You don't ban anything. You make the academic criteria higher. 40% of people going to university is too many.
    Why is it? If Jonnie Commoner wants to study Art in Popular Culture what's it to you? Why should Jonnie not get the opportunity to take out a loan to pursue it?

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    It's more the courses that give you a B.A. in David Beckham that are the issue there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spikey M View Post
    Why is it? If Jonnie Commoner wants to study Art in Popular Culture what's it to you? Why should Jonnie not get the opportunity to take out a loan to pursue it?
    I'm not sure if Art in Popular Culture is what I'm talking about but if he wants to study some other old shite and can find someone to teach it, then I suppose he can, through a bank or some such. The state shouldn't be involved in that.

    40% is too high because people are only going because they can, they're doing fuck all work and nobody gets any benefit from their qualification.

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    So those with top grades (rich people, mostly) get free education, people with lesser grades (poor people) get to take out a bank loan? Sounds great.

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    Henry wanting to give what is effectively an electoral bung to Russell Group graduates is laughable.

    The inevitable consequence would be a drastic reduction in access for poor people, who therefore find it harder to get into better paying jobs. It's one of the most regressive things you could do.

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    Poor (er) people get good grades as well.

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