Theresa May's Conservatives
Jeremy Corbyn's Labour
Tim Farron's Liberal Democrats
Paul Nuttall's UKIP
2 people's Greens
Nicholas Durgeon's Scottish Nationalists
Satan's Sinn Fein
Dr Ian Paisley's DUP
Some other bunch of nonces
I'm foreign, but I wish I were an Englishman
False, unless you're picking one opinion poll (from a somewhat discredited pollster) which fits the NARRATIVE.
At present, Survation represents the 'gold standard' having actually got the election right.
Not that polling is evidence of anything, obviously.
Wait, what?Originally Posted by GS
Please explain what's confused you now.
That's why I said "the new opinion poll". You'll want to check that reading comprehension.
Suggesting that there was only one, which just so happens to fit the NARRATIVE.
On the same point, I saw Wor Jez talking bollocks about disadvantaged people's university access yesterday. It appears the Trumpian playbook of talking bollocks whilst your supporters shamelessly pile in to support it is now being applied here.
'Man who spends 4 years quoting every poll on every day, says polls are worthless'
I'm just glad you've come round to the Phonics/Pepe 'polls are shit' side and they don't have to clog up this thread anymore.
They're worthwhile for identifying trends and where things, broadly, sit. They're also useful because they tend to direct public opinion / campaigns.
However, they must be considered in their proper context. It's clear the weighing applied by these companies isn't right, and that means you can't do anything other than look for trend. If you expect a poll to translate into actual votes (as Henry naively suggests) then you're going to be disappointed.
I made no such suggestion. You're resorting to make-believe here.
You're so out of touch. I predicted the labour victory whilst you were saying biggest majority ever. If you want accurate opinion look no further than me.
Look gs is right and you're an idiot.
Straight out of the Trump playbook from Henry, there.
The populist similarities between Trump and Corbyn are probably going to become even more obvious over the next while, actually. Just straight out lie to your base and then incite them to violence to overturn things you don't like.
Oh dear.
You obviously missed him lying to his latest rally of nut jobs yesterday.
I did indeed miss it. But with your posts becoming more and more unhinged from reality, I'm not inclined to believe you. Do LYING TORIES bother you as much?
He's still peddling the bollocks about "fewer working class people" going into university because of the "debt burden", even though it's untrue. Still, if he's prepared to pay an eleven figure sum to secure their vote and they're stupid enough to buy it then so be it. It would be a massive transfer of wealth from poor to rich, but I suppose that doesn't matter either because austerity, mate.
On your latter point, I don't profess any huge admiration for the Conservatives. They're merely the least worst option, and considerably better than the reds. Should I start identifying Theresa May as a political hero - in the way that you've identified Jez (LOL) - then we can revisit it. As it is, your "political hero" is openly lying to his base and attending rallies designed to force the government out despite there being an election not one month ago. It's risible behaviour, and will only continue whilst his supporters pile in with shameless support.
Much like his support for the terrorists, which I'll kept citing until the day he resigns.
You voted for the DUP.
On the binary issue of the union and with considerable distaste, yes. Once I start identifying Arlene Foster as a political hero and not merely the least worst of a very bad list, we can revisit the topic. None of this provides equivalence to your love for the terrorist supporting Jeremy Corbyn, who would presumably have supported Arlene Foster getting taken out by that IRA bomb on her school bus if it advanced the cause of a united Ireland.
I'll revisit the topic any time I like, thanks.
Unless I eventually see him on a destroyer blowing foreign fisherman to foreign fisherman hell then Brexit is a lie.
Kinder, gentler politics.
I mean, the sentiment's nice. Plus he could play the, "That was ages ago." defence that got Trump off with the pussy grabs.
"Black gang jeer Diana at cinema"
That's some quality reporting.
Thank fuck for that.
It's a shame Spreadsheet Phil has the charisma of a wooden door, really.
lol
GS and Henry seem ever so dull.
I'll give them the Irish Language Act if they stop pretending there's no 'hierarchy of victims'.
I'm trying to work out why Boris/Gove are breaking ranks at this point. If they bring the thing down then Dave Spart gets the keys.
I would like to see a compromise where x amount of state workers are sacked to cover the rest getting more money.
I assume it's because Downing Street have basically given up on imposing discipline. The first that Theresa May knew about Andrea Leadsom turning up at Grenfell was when she saw it on the news.
Better yet, have a referendum where the franchise is limited to private sector workers and ask them if they're prepared to accept an increase of two pence in the pound on their income tax to pay for it.
I suspect you'd be looking at a heavy defeat, probably somewhere in the region of 75-25 in favour of "absolutely no fucking chance".
'the state of that'
That's from four months ago. Watch what happens if taxes actually go up.
At least we've moved on from the days of people wanting to tax companies according to turnover.
50% inheritance tax on everything over £1 million please.
That was a genuine low, that.
I'd forgotten about that.
Did anyone who really should know better actually suggest it?
I couldn't remember who said what (it was all about Amazon and Starbucks wasn't it?), but searching 'miliband amazon' has revealed these bargains.
Why would you get that when this bad boy is on offer https://www.amazon.co.uk/CUTOUTS-Ain...M1XYFRX9PMATYB
Maybe some people are racists.
That or the Panama Papers. I think it was around the same time that Jez was calling for us to unilaterally impose direct rule on the overseas territories because we didn't like their tax regimes, as if this was somehow an acceptable course of action.
Oh yeah. The imperialist bastard.
I've still got a Margaret Thatcher candle somewhere. Maybe if I light it she'll appear like a genie and save us all.
We can use the new aircraft carrier to impose our will, given he thinks violence is fine if it's advancing a political goal he happens to like.
From the thread. We should have seen last month coming really.
72%.
Fucking hell.
What a shame everyone isn't as intelligent and knowledgeable as you. Patronising wanker. #horacing #notsorry #neverhoraceahoracer72%.
Fucking hell.
You can take our low value consignment relief, but you'll never take our freedom!
Interesting how income tax is the one people want nailed. Probably because they know what it is.
Partly, but you only have to look at the reaction to increasing NIC for the self employed. Perfectly sensible and fair policy, OUTRAGE ensures and they have to back track.
If Hammond does increase it by 1p across the board the discussion will very quickly become "but why can't you just knock it up by 5p on everything over X instead?" and a "tax on hard working families".
You can see from that the only ones that have good support are those where people are confident it won't affect them, and the ones where people are violently opposed are where they'll definitely get hit.
Didn't the OUTRAGE ensue because the MANIFESTO that you say must be adhered to at all costs, said they wouldn't raise that specific tax?
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