Vince is doubling down here. They're in serious bother.
Theresa May's Conservatives
Jeremy Corbyn's Labour
Tim Farron's Liberal Democrats
Paul Nuttall's UKIP
2 people's Greens
Nicholas Durgeon's Scottish Nationalists
Satan's Sinn Fein
Dr Ian Paisley's DUP
Some other bunch of nonces
I'm foreign, but I wish I were an Englishman
Vince is doubling down here. They're in serious bother.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/451886...eu-brexit-deal
This all appears to be perfectly sensible and reasonable, so we can expect howls of outrage from Brussels and Enemy Within types.
The Dream Team.
Her majority is 346, so we'd be faced with the unwelcome prospect of an entire campaign narrative built around the Prime Minister desperately trying to save their own seat. What joys.
They would literally all be better PMs than her.Originally Posted by Lewis
Why can't Tim Shipman string a gramatically correct sentence together?
Is that Major as in John?
Presumably so. He probably hasn't recovered from Maastricht, the massive twat.
His Brexit book is genuinely brilliant.
Clive Lewis subscribing to the David Lammy school of talking complete shite. How the fuck do these people get elected?
By his own logic he is racist against non-Europeans.
"Logic."
These people are genuine lunatics.
I like how your bird tries to intervene, gets ignored, so then just sits grimacing for the rest of it. What a perfect metaphor for where most of the party are.
Lisa Nandy would probably be the next leader if she wasn't northern.
She would have been a good bet for the future in 2015 (by which I mean likely to win, rather than actually good), but it's communist idiots all the way now. Rebecca Long-Bailey (Northern) was the Chosen One last time the question came up, but that was on the assumption that they needed Corbynism with a human face. Now they are flush with success they will revert to the natural line of succession as first sketched out in 1986.
Corbyn is Corbynism with a human face, which is literally the only reason he gets away with it, even though he's a fucking weirdo.
But what about Saudi Arabia?
The corbyn rallies are bizarre. Not sure how we've got to the situation where most people are fucking idiots.
Because people have voted for him without understanding what he would actually do if he won. There's really no excuse.
A bit like everyone who voted for Brexit then?
In that they didn't understand the referendum was non-binding and wouldn't be implemented in any meaningful way?
And a bit like most who voted for Remain, too. If even a fifth of the electorate grasped the majority of the issues beyond Racism v CONTROL, I'd be surprised.
"Hey, if you vote to remain in that union we've been in for years, you don't know what you're in for."
Aye. Alright. Sure.
Shindig proving the point splendidly here by not understanding that a vote to stay in would have been HIJACKED to justify every subsequent reform and transfer of power as ever-closer union became a reality. All shoved through by the government of the day irrespective of party.
There was no 'static' option.
Look, mate, it's HARD brexit, the cliff edge, all worship at the great altar of the single market, alright?
Fuck that. The buzzword of the year is "scrutiny". We should all be thrilled that this bunch of wet bastards have decided that scrutiny now matters, but they didn't even pretend to give a fuck when our benevolent European overlords were shovelling shite onto the statute book on our behalf.
Interesting, I wonder what proportion of the electorate understands just about any political issue?
The numbers on leave/remain being almost completely static since last June is lol beyond words. All that bed wetting and non-stop SEETHING, millions more words written about it, petrol going up, the clear fact that nobody in charge knows what they're doing... All that, and nobody cares. It does make you wonder how the second referendum whoppers would approach a re-match.
'I know what I said then, but this time...'
Jezza could probably come out for leave as well now he isn't terrified of his party.
Momentum have managed to mobilise their gang of upper-middle-class guilt merchants into voting for "safe space" topics like Grenfell and austerity, which means they're somehow managing not to have a debate on Brexit during the entire conference. The usual drones are up in arms, and Chuka Umunna appears close to tears.
It's world class trolling, you've got to concede that much.
This thing on the internet and the election contains the following:
In our surveys, we tested people's political knowledge by asking if eight randomly selected statements were true or false and then counted the number of correct answers. The statements included assertions like: "The minimum voting age for UK general elections is now 16 years of age," and "The chancellor of the Exchequer is responsible for setting interest rates in the UK." Though internet usage and political knowledge are only slightly linked, it is clear that, after rigorous statistical tests, how knowledgeable people are about politics had significant effects on how they voted.
Put simply, political knowledge continues to have a strong effect on Labour and Conservative voting even after we take statistical account of all of "the usual suspects" that are used to explain voting - such as social class, age, gender income, people's "left-right" placement and how they voted in the 2016 referendum.
Tories have a serious branding issue now though.
Hopefully this kicks off a load of America-style 'conservative/liberals are more intelligent because...' think pieces.
Labour conference sounds like the lunatics have finally taken over the asylum.
Well that's that settled then.Labour delegate Naomi Wimborne-Idrissi speaks up for the rights of Palestinians.
"Comrades, I am not an anti-Semite," the Jewish party member says.
Delegates give her a standing ovation when she declares: "This party does not have a problem with Jews."
There's the old adage that a man at 20 who isn't a socialist lacks a heart, but if he's still one at 30 he lacks a head. That's pretty much what you'd expect. One of the issues is that SOCIAL MEDIA has condensed everything down into 140 characters and memes - so try explaining the benefits of a corporation tax cut in 140 characters compared to "THEY'RE PRIVATISING THE NHS!" You haven't a hope.
It's only a branding issue insofar that the likes of that Momentum mob are happy to misrepresent policy to make it look like the Fourth Reich is just around the corner. They obviously haven't helped themselves with some of the shit policies (e.g. dementia tax), but short of having these people imprisoned for libel, sedition (or treason, if they adhere to Wor Jez's IRA views) then I don't see what they can realistically do to stop the tide of shit originating with Momentum and their lunatic fringe groups.
You spend your life trying and still fail miserably.
Donned.
There is only a 'branding problem' with young people and twats. The former are a write-off, but - bearing in mind that the next election will be about making Brexit work (or something like that) rather than still pissing the bed about it - winning enough of the latter back round strikes me as an easier task than convincing twice the amount of normal people and pensioners to vote for Team Jezza.
Who gives a toss about BREXIT MANIFESTOS and stuff when you've got a motto like 'FOR THE MANY, NOT THE FEW'. I'll be voting for that shit.
For the Muslim, Not the Jew.
On that subject, one need only look at Henry as a good example of someone who feels very strongly on a topic without actually understanding what's going on. When you're accused of "changing the topic" when you cite the difference between on-shore and off-shore revenues, it's clear that they don't have sufficient grounding to discuss the issue properly. This is the issue generally.
There is zero point in the Tories targeting young people. They'll fall in behind FOR THE MANY and TAX THE RICH irrespective of how many times you could explain the actual policy to them. The Tories can't out-Jezza Jezza, and no sensible government or government-in-waiting should be advocating nonsense like free tuition. There's no point trying.
They need to go after the 25-45 age range, which is where they managed to shaft themselves this time around.
True, but you make it sound as if it is an issue of only one side of the political spectrum. Truth is, very few people have a good grasp of THE ISSUES (I sure as hell talk out of my arse most of the time) since it is a bit hard to be an expert at everything. Politicians in particular are every bit as guilty of it as anyone else. Politics is their career and their job is to get elected. They could't give a rat's arse about 'the issues.'
I don't disagree, you know. Plenty of experts are wrong constantly, as well. The pre-Brexit meltdown that many economists had should have seen the entire profession discredited.
Still love those laffer curves though, don't you?
Laffer the Gaffer.
From the visceral supporter of Jezonomics, this is quite the intervention.
I've previously only read Angela Rayner transcribed by what must have been incredibly sympathetic journalists, but I've just heard her speak for the first time and she sounds fucking dense.
'We need to be skilling up our young people, not putting barriers in their place.'
Not really a justification for this absurd 'cradle to grave' education system she's proposing.
I saw someone on Twitter talking about her as next Labour leader.
Was it her who said a working class person could never be Prime Minister? Half of all Labour Prime Ministers managed it, love, and there wasn't even tokenism in them days.
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