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Thread: TTH WEREWOLF House of Cards - The Rise of Burnham

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    "Should the Allies remove Corbyn from power, Nicola Sturgeon will become their next target as they seek to regain ground in Scotland."

    How does this work? Are the allies here the allies of Burnham? Don't they win the game if they do this? Or is this a daft village lynch their leader contingency? Am I missing something?

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    I think it means that Sturgeon has only one day/night phase remaining after Corbyn's lynch before she gets herself automatically lynched even if she doesn't get herself nominated...or voted off for that matter.

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    Really? It makes sense as a contingency against a game ending first lynch (ie we biff Jezza in this phase) it just doesn't read that way with the 'allies' bit. If it is Burnham and co, they win by 'killing' Corbyn, why would there be another phase?

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    I don't really know how it works. Most of the special roles just seem to be so-and-so knows who so-and-so is rather than any sort of powers.

    Just nominate/second one and get on with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vim View Post
    Just out of curiousity, why does the game start with a nomination phase? Is it so that the wolves don't just get a free kill?
    Quote Originally Posted by Pepe View Post
    It makes no sense really due to what I just posted but whatever, lets get down to it.
    In a game with a standard wolf kill/village kill, and an even number of players, starting on a village kill means you end on a village kill, which is a better ending than a wolf kill since that's a bit anticlimactic.

    Story-wise it would make sense to have a fictional killing, but whatever, the stories are boring anyway.

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    Wait, that's nonsense isn't it? Villagers going first mean you have a wolf kill at three left. Wolves going first is better. Fuck's sake, Merse.

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    Fuck's sake, everyone who's ever ran Werewolf games.

    I'll be on mobile from here on out tonight, I apologise in advance if I fail at formatting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vim View Post
    Fuck's sake, everyone who's ever ran Werewolf games.

    I'll be on mobile from here on out tonight, I apologise in advance if I fail at formatting.
    Just quote someone who's done it previously and edit the necessary.

    I'll be keeping my (white) powder dry in these nominations as we have nothing to go on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pepe View Post
    Alright lads, what you've all been waiting for: question time!



    Two things: Does that mean that whoever is Burnham is required to vote for the person that gets lynched or they don't get to kill that night? If so, that should start narrowing things down for us fairly quickly if we play it smart, mainly employing a 'spreading the votes' tactic. Wins by landslide will only hurt us.

    Second, is this a Pleb style game where as soon as they eliminate Corbyn and whoever replaces him the mafia wins, or do they need to get rid of all the town? Seems like the former but just making sure.
    Yep, that's right.

    However - a) they can bluff and go for a no kill by not submitting a name.

    b) they might have hit Corbyn, in which case they get his identity but not the kill (until they've weakened his support as per the OP)

    The Allies of Burnham will win by offing Corbyn, but can only do so once they have crushed his powerbase. Once a night they can elect to kill a player, but they cannot kill Corbyn until seven or less of his friends remain.
    c) they might have had their kill vetoed -

    The Tories - Cameron & Boris Johnson
    The Tories are unsure of their position in the post-Corbyn world. First they laughed, then they worried. The Tories cannot claim a victory under any circumstance, but will nominate and vote in the same manner as other players at their own discretion and know of each others identities. They also stick out like a sore thumb in this company. David Cameron will be informed of and can veto any Allies of Burnham elimination, once in the course of the game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pepe View Post
    Bit off topic, but I love the idea of starting with a day phase. 'Nothing has happened but lets lynch someone before people start mysteriously murdering us at night.'
    I had thought of this...

    Thing is, in a traditional Werewolf the lynch is part of the story, in this one... It's not actually a lynching, so it's just an elimination with a story to go with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Demerit View Post
    I believe so, Sturgeon takes the Burnham role if he dies.

    Going to look at this properly after work and get a spreadsheet going

    EDIT: Clarification on roles if Burnham dies then Sturgeon dies would be good though.
    Burnham doesn't die until all the wolves die - his role transfers to another wolf player.

    If Corbyn dies, for which to happen at over half of his supporters must've been eliminated, Sturgeon becomes the next target for Burnham and co.

    Edit - unless Sturgeon is dead already.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pepe View Post
    One more: When Burnham is dead, will the requirement to vote for the lynched person be transferred to whoever replaces him?
    Yep, because Burnham doesn't die until the last wolf does, his role is transferred to another wolf.

    It's a narrative device, that's all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vim View Post
    Just out of curiousity, why does the game start with a nomination phase? Is it so that the wolves don't just get a free kill?
    Yep.

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    Can't we just have a simple wolf vs villagers game for once...

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    I tried that and fucked up

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    Quote Originally Posted by niko_cee View Post
    "Should the Allies remove Corbyn from power, Nicola Sturgeon will become their next target as they seek to regain ground in Scotland."

    How does this work? Are the allies here the allies of Burnham? Don't they win the game if they do this? Or is this a daft village lynch their leader contingency? Am I missing something?
    The allies of Burnham are the Wolves, the friends of Corbyn are the village.

    Yep - that's it really. The wolves must depleat Corbyns number drastically so they can't happen upon him by accident early on, whilst the Sturgeon thing is largely to stop the Town fucking up too (two chances are more than enough).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Demerit View Post
    Can't we just have a simple wolf vs villagers game for once...
    Mine was.

    That was probably fucking ages ago now.

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    Your werewolf game was pretty epic.

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    I ballsed it up a bit but I enjoyed running it for the most part. Actually I probably now have the time to run another given I'm Monday to Friday and getting home by about 8pm at the latest most nights.

    Hmm. We'll see how this one goes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Merse View Post
    Yep, because Burnham doesn't die until the last wolf does, his role is transferred to another wolf.

    It's a narrative device, that's all.
    Ok. Makes some sense now.

    It is really in the best interest of the villagers to spread the votes as much as possible. That way, based on what happens the next night, we should be able to narrow down who Burnham is fairly quickly. After one or two round we might even strategize a bit, asking certain people to vote for particular targets to test whether they're bad'uns or not.

    I was thinking having 1v1s would be better but now I think it is best to have 3-4 targets and spread votes. If the wolves want to kill, they will need their boss to vote for the lynched person and the next day we will have few names to pick from. If they want to keep Burnham undercover then they'll have to forfeit their kill.

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    Yea, that makes sense to me. The more candidates there are, the shorter the list of potential Burnham's should be.

    If we get Burnham, will we be told, or will it just look like we got one of his understudies?

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    I think we'll get one of the others, as Merse has said that the role of Burnham will be transferred to someone else. I don't think he'll tell us 'he was Burnham but now he is x.'

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    Here is the list of players:
    Ian
    Hammer
    Igor Balis
    Panda
    SVN
    Byron
    7OM
    Boydy
    Mahow
    Vim
    Pepe
    Mazuurk
    Matt
    Jimmy Floyd
    Browning
    Niko_Cee
    Cjay
    P3
    Magic
    Demerit
    Pleb
    Toby

    Now, if I know Merse (and I might), he's probably up and done something stupid like organizing the player list by role instead of by sign-up or alphabetical order. I sure as hell didn't sign up fourth, and the alphabet doesn't go I-H-I. With that in mind, obviously Ian through SVN are Burnham guys (including me), Byron is Corbyn, and 70M is Murdoch.

    I nominate Ian (first nomination)

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    The "Including me" makes that post.

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    Let's hear some defences please, chaps.

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    You can have defences in the first two rounds?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 7om View Post
    Let's hear some defences please, chaps.


    "Relative to Microsoft Excel, Google Sheets has an enhanced proclivity toward multiples of four, therefore making it unsuitable for random generation of targets."

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    This must be Panda's first proper game then

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    Nah, I've had my fair share of legit games.

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    I mean, I haven't even nominated hfswjyr yet.

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    Well that was a meltdown if anything...

    As 7om suggested we need defences. Demerit nominating me because I'm a Pleb is rather amusing.

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    Defences

    Well go on then Pleb, give us a defence.

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    wat

    how was that a meltdown

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    Yeah, let's just bin off the people we know will be active first. Randomness FTW.

    Quote Originally Posted by 7om View Post
    Let's hear some defences please, chaps.
    I'm not a wolf.

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    How many jags have you got though?

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    I say kill Magic, the bloke hasn't even turned up yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Panda Bear View Post
    Here is the list of players:
    Ian
    Hammer
    Igor Balis
    Panda
    SVN
    Byron
    7OM
    Boydy
    Mahow
    Vim
    Pepe
    Mazuurk
    Matt
    Jimmy Floyd
    Browning
    Niko_Cee
    Cjay
    P3
    Magic
    Demerit
    Pleb
    Toby

    Now, if I know Merse (and I might), he's probably up and done something stupid like organizing the player list by role instead of by sign-up or alphabetical order. I sure as hell didn't sign up fourth, and the alphabet doesn't go I-H-I. With that in mind, obviously Ian through SVN are Burnham guys (including me), Byron is Corbyn, and 70M is Murdoch.

    I nominate Ian (first nomination)
    Shit.


    Now you've pointed this out...

    I've made it completely and utterly unplayable. As soon as a couple of folk get hit, particularly the wolves, it's going to be too obvious isn't it?

    You're off on Murdoch but had Corbyn spot on.

    Right, I'm out today/tonight so will need to get back on and re-send PM's tomorrow. Same rules, just re-randomising the roles.

    Sorry for anyone that was looking to forward to their roles

    Ok.

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    Dear lord. Hoping for a better role.

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    Fucking hell.

    Up there with Pepe's effort and Pleb assigning a 'kill this player and the wolves win the whole game' role.

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    Now I feel relieved

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    I would despair if it didn't cement my quite excellent reputation for not fucking these up.

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    Hoping for a better role now

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    Merse.

    Panda.

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    The wolves must have been so gutted when they saw that list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GS View Post
    I would despair if it didn't cement my quite excellent reputation for not fucking these up.
    When are you going to do your great swansong that you mentioned on the old board? I was looking forward to it...

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    Ffs.

    No biggie, we'll just restart.

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    Might as well keep to the current day/night phase. Makes sense.

    Start it as soon as possible Merse.

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    But my brilliant cover admitting I may well be a wolf with that list was genius and would have saved us all.

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    To be fair I was going to nominate you anyway

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    This is incredible.

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