Euro 2016

[Browning]

Thinking we would lose to Hungary is just mental.

We will get to the quarters and then Payet will see us off.

[Lee]

Not winning that group should be enough on its own, to be honest. Fucking awful.

Get Big Sam in.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Come on. I like Hungary and Zoltan Gera as much as anyone but they haven't played any good teams. They haven't even played any average ones.

And England have? Wales are a decent side but went into the game (especially so in the second half) with an inferiority complex, Russia are absolutely mince and Slovakia were asking to be turned over.

England have a decent team but are completely shackled by Hodgson who sets up to not lose.

[Max Power]

And England have? Wales are a decent side but went into the game (especially so in the second half) with an inferiority complex, Russia are absolutely mince and Slovakia were asking to be turned over.

England have a decent team but are completely shackled by Hodgson who sets up to not lose.

Yeah and they won't against fucking Hungary.

[Browning]

Get Pochettino in. He has the exact same players playing much better every week. Let him do both jobs if he wants, fuck it.

[Max Power]

Yeah we need more Spurs input. Bunch of winners that they are.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I'm properly sick of us failing to win shit groups. Woy surely knows how important it is. Every selection has been miles out and he needs to answer with his job when it goes tits up.

It's not something many people within the game seem fussed about, which always infuriates me. Same thing happens in the Champions League year after year. 'You have to beat the big teams at some point'. Total horseshit.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Yeah and they won't against fucking Hungary.

I just can't see England breaking Hungary down.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

We've just seen Leicester fucking City win the Premiership, England losing to a well drilled Hungary side isn't too implausible.

[Yevrah]

We've just seen Leicester fucking City win the Premiership, England losing to a well drilled Hungary side isn't too implausible.

Yeah, you can't do this.

[Danny]

We've just seen Leicester fucking City win the Premiership, England breaking down a well drilled Hungary side isn't too implausible.

Fixed it.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Yeah, you can't do this.

I most certainly can and I'll be celebrating when Hungary dump England out.

[mugbull]

The risk aversion by these teams is unbelievable. If you're Slovakia with 4 points, you know you're going to play either Germany or Spain in the next round (if you even qualify), which means you're out. Qualification at 0-0 would be (is) like, what, an 80% certainty? Say they have a 10% of winning against either of those teams, that an 8% of getting to the quarters if they sit back and defend. If they go for a goal, there's probably like 30% chance they win, 50% chance nobody does, 20% England wins, and out of that 20% there's still upwards of 50% chance Slovakia qualifies for the next round. Whatever the likelihood of them getting to the quarters that way, it's much higher than if they sit back and play for a 0-0. So why do they do that? Are all of these managers a) too stupid to do basic probability, or b) too afraid of not getting to the round of 16? Surely a small team getting to the quarters is a greater success than not getting to the r.16 is a failure. It makes no sense. But then humans are so afraid of perceived failure that maybe it does.

[Spoonsky]

I think you could predict most knockout games by the cosmic unchanging order of international football. England would beat Hungary but go out to Portugal, for instance. England-France might be a bit of a toss-up honestly.

[Baz]

Is Bale leadin the top goal scorer chart?

[Weaver]

Back to double games tonight - 5pm and 8pm.

Is Bale leadin the top goal scorer chart?

Yes, with 3 goals.

Morata, Payet, Lukaku and Stancu have 2.

[Jimmy Floyd]

The risk aversion by these teams is unbelievable. If you're Slovakia with 4 points, you know you're going to play either Germany or Spain in the next round (if you even qualify), which means you're out. Qualification at 0-0 would be (is) like, what, an 80% certainty? Say they have a 10% of winning against either of those teams, that an 8% of getting to the quarters if they sit back and defend. If they go for a goal, there's probably like 30% chance they win, 50% chance nobody does, 20% England wins, and out of that 20% there's still upwards of 50% chance Slovakia qualifies for the next round. Whatever the likelihood of them getting to the quarters that way, it's much higher than if they sit back and play for a 0-0. So why do they do that? Are all of these managers a) too stupid to do basic probability, or b) too afraid of not getting to the round of 16? Surely a small team getting to the quarters is a greater success than not getting to the r.16 is a failure. It makes no sense. But then humans are so afraid of perceived failure that maybe it does.

98% of managers in world football are risk averse, because if they lose they get sacked. It's why leagues in the likes of Brazil and Argentina have basically ground to a standstill.

[Lee]

I've woken up still pissed off. Fucking Wales. Jesus.

All I want is one England knock out game to enjoy while I'm away. Just one. I'm not away until the day of the first quarter final. Useless cunts.

[Magic]

England's win over Hungary will be a torturous one, but a quarter-final defeat to France will be perceived by the FA as a great success.

[Lee]

England's win over Hungary will be a torturous one, but a quarter-final defeat to France will be perceived by the FA as a great success.

That's the worst bit. If Roy is to be sacked we have to draw Portugal, which is the least likely of the permutations. He was basically guaranteed a new contract with a top two finish in a shot group, the fucking cunt.

[niko_cee]

Wise Woy piloting us into a weak quarter of the draw (France are shite).



Only thing is we're going to have to beat some more herders on penalties to get there, which could be problematic. We'll fuck the French up though, well, we could. Either way there's going to be a tasty semi. As to whoever it was saying about playing like Fulham, that's exactly what England should do. They are the international equivalent of Fulham's level when Woy was in charge there, and that style of management is what he is suited to doing - not going out and dominating games as the better side.

Vardy should only play against teams we consider better than us, Sturridge if we are the better team (so not much from now on).

Clyne should play at left back if Walker has to start as he is the best full back we have.

[Lee]

The French will do us. The rule is that we have to lose, preferably on penalties, to any country remotely considered a top top football power.

[Sam]

I've woken up still pissed off. Fucking Wales. Jesus.

All I want is one England knock out game to enjoy while I'm away. Just one. I'm not away until the day of the first quarter final. Useless cunts.

Least I'm not the only one, mainly because Woy will still be in the job.

[Mellberg]

History suggests a quarter final exit to France on pens. Might drop Skybet an email.

[Boydy]

How did Hodgson keep his job after the world cup?

[Lee]

He probably sucked Greg Dyke off.

[Mellberg]

Because it's acceptable to lose to Uruguay and Italy despite Costa Rica winning the group.

[-james-]

Group F runner up outcome:



Last night was horrific, but the outcome's not too bad really. Cosmic lolz if Wales get Croatia.

[Magic]

This is so retarded.

[Browning]

So what has to happen, aside from the Czechs moving above Croatia, for Wales Vs Croatia? I'm hoping for that now.

[-james-]

So what has to happen, aside from the Czechs moving above Croatia, for Wales Vs Croatia? I'm hoping for that now.

Assuming groups B and F provide third place qualifiers (which look a safe bet), the other two third place qualifiers have to come from groups C & D, or D & E.

[Lewis]

So we might end up being better off in second? lol Wales Roy is a genius.

[Jimmy Floyd]

In the round of 16, but their quarter-final should be much easier.

[Browning]

Assuming groups B and F provide third place qualifiers (which look a safe bet), the other two third place qualifiers have to come from groups C & D, or D & E.

Well E isn't happening so basically it's all on Northern Ireland to not lose by too many.

[niko_cee]

I'd rather play the French than the Belgians. At lest with the former we're the underdog and they have to come at us, and when we do lose, at least it wasn't to fucking Belgium and the haircut.

[Bartholomert]

The risk aversion by these teams is unbelievable. If you're Slovakia with 4 points, you know you're going to play either Germany or Spain in the next round (if you even qualify), which means you're out. Qualification at 0-0 would be (is) like, what, an 80% certainty? Say they have a 10% of winning against either of those teams, that an 8% of getting to the quarters if they sit back and defend. If they go for a goal, there's probably like 30% chance they win, 50% chance nobody does, 20% England wins, and out of that 20% there's still upwards of 50% chance Slovakia qualifies for the next round. Whatever the likelihood of them getting to the quarters that way, it's much higher than if they sit back and play for a 0-0. So why do they do that? Are all of these managers a) too stupid to do basic probability, or b) too afraid of not getting to the round of 16? Surely a small team getting to the quarters is a greater success than not getting to the r.16 is a failure. It makes no sense. But then humans are so afraid of perceived failure that maybe it does.

Has to be related to the minimum expectations by the FA's and the acceptability of losing to a Tier 1 nation in the Round of 16 versus an emotionally perhaps more frustrating close / unlucky defeat to a Tier 2 nation in the Round of 16 + gambling and finishing 4th in the group stage.

[Trancemeister]

Zlatan has announced his retirement from the national team after this championship.

[Pepe]

The risk aversion by these teams is unbelievable. If you're Slovakia with 4 points, you know you're going to play either Germany or Spain in the next round (if you even qualify), which means you're out. Qualification at 0-0 would be (is) like, what, an 80% certainty? Say they have a 10% of winning against either of those teams, that an 8% of getting to the quarters if they sit back and defend. If they go for a goal, there's probably like 30% chance they win, 50% chance nobody does, 20% England wins, and out of that 20% there's still upwards of 50% chance Slovakia qualifies for the next round. Whatever the likelihood of them getting to the quarters that way, it's much higher than if they sit back and play for a 0-0. So why do they do that? Are all of these managers a) too stupid to do basic probability, or b) too afraid of not getting to the round of 16? Surely a small team getting to the quarters is a greater success than not getting to the r.16 is a failure. It makes no sense. But then humans are so afraid of perceived failure that maybe it does.

Probability with made-up numbers. Surprised every team in the planet is not balls deep into it.

[Pleb]

So whoever gets third in Group C, Albania (lol) and Slovakia are pretty much through to the next round then?

I reckon it's a shootout between the Czechs and Sweden for the other spot.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Zielinski and Kapustka is banging from Poland.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Albania aren't, their goal difference could cost them depending on results.

If Northern Ireland lose here by no more than 3 goals, they will slot in above Albania so will then only need one more team to finish below them.

[Magic]

Why isn't the Ukraine Poland game on?

[Pleb]

Red button.

[Max Power]

NI are gonna struggle to keep their goal difference down by the looks of it. Getting carved open at will. German finishing has been poor though

[Magic]

I predicted 2-0.

[Pleb]

To be fair to the keeper he's keeping them in it.

[Bartholomert]

So whoever gets third in Group C, Albania (lol) and Slovakia are pretty much through to the next round then?

I reckon it's a shootout between the Czechs and Sweden for the other spot.

Unless Turkey decides to show up with a heroic effort !!!

(won't happen)

[Magic]

This is going to be a draw, isn't it? Germany's finishing as bad as England imo

[niko_cee]

1-0 would suit Germany just fine, wouldn't it?

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Muller is having a Ronaldo day.